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Why Hasn’t Trump Condemned Erdogan’s Provocation?
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  • FriendlyGoat

    One reason could be that our current administration does not like the protesters any better than Erdogan does. Another could be that it is awkward to criticize an entourage we invited to be here. Another could be that the president does not tweet about things he has no plan to engage and would look silly for saying “somebody oughta do something” when he is the somebody. Another could be that he’s too busy worrying about the other chaos surrounding his White House. Another could be that he considers this just minor news unworthy of a response anyway. (Who got roughed up? Conservatives? Not necessarily. Then, never mind.)

    As for the Jacksonian stuff, Jackson is dead and so is his era.

  • Suzy Dixon

    Neither of them are a cup of tea. It appeared that the Turkish security forces ran up to beat some Kurdish and Kurdish-aligned protesters, and apparently there were some Kurdish protesters attacking some pro-Erdogan rally goers. Just a mess.
    Turkey cannot be called a republic in any meaningful sense, and erdogan looks more like a tinhorn in the making, so pro-Erdogan rallies are problematic. Kurds want to slice up three or four or more countries and likely wouldn’t be a shining beacon of democracy and personal freedom or even secular if they got their wish.

  • LloydDaub

    Why? One reason is ‘diplomacy.’ We want Erdogan to listen, not disregard us. Second is that these protesters need to be back in Turkey voting him out, not causing riots on our streets. Third is he was the elected leader of that country, not the protesters. But it’s interesting that you complain of all talk no action. Grumbling about Erdogan’s policies is the essence of empty rhetoric. BTW, sending weapons to the Kurds is the essence of action over talk. Maybe you heard about that move by President Trump.

    • D4x

      Adding, once the video came out, with Erdogan possibly giving the order, not just “looking on”, POTUS’ knew his team had to make sure of the facts. Very presidential to stay focused on his first foreign trip, including rallying the Sunni nations in Saudi Arabia tomorrow.

    • Andrew Allison

      Where on earth did you get the idea the Erdogan has the slightest interest in what we have to say? He’s already given the US and EU the middle finger in his pursuit of his Caliphate.

  • Fat_Man

    Expecting focus and consistency from Trump is a mistake. As David Brooks commenting on Trump’s leaking classified intelligence to the Russians:

    “But Trump’s statements don’t necessarily come from anywhere, lead anywhere or have a permanent reality beyond his wish to be liked at any given instant.

    “We’ve got this perverse situation in which the vast analytic powers of the entire world are being spent trying to understand a guy whose thoughts are often just six fireflies beeping randomly in a jar.”

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/opinion/trump-classified-data.html

    The same is true of his non-statements. It means nothing.

    • Andrew Allison

      I think that you may be missing the fact that beneath all the sound and fury, he’s actually executing a conservative agenda. Might I also gently suggest that you stop reading the rubbish published in the NYT. BTW, there’s no evidence that the President leaked classified information, that’s merely the opinion of a DNC, er NYT, but I repeat myself, hack.

      • RedWell

        HE isn’t enacting a conservative agenda, the competent portion of his appointees and Congress are.
        And notably, the conservative agenda they are implementing–boilerplate GOP fare–contradicts a large portion of his campaign promises.

  • rheddles

    I look at Trump’s tweets as meaningless noise. I’m more concerned about the absence of sufficient police to protect civilian protesters. The next time Erdogan comes to town, there should be enough DC Cops and Maryland and Virginia troopers to make sure this thugs see nothing but billy clubs if they want to start something.

    • Andrew Allison

      Better yet, Erdogan should never again be permitted to come to town and the US military presence in Turkey withdrawn poste-haste.

      • You do realize that the US military presence in Turkey (Incirilik Air Base) is involved in supporting the Kurds in Syria?

        • D4x

          US military has been building network of air bases centered in Kobane, Syria (Rojava for Syrian Kurds), on the border with Turkey. Both the US and Germany have been openly searching for a NATO alternative to Incirlik.

      • D4x

        Did anybody notice that Erdogan was MIA at the Riyadh Arab-Islamic-American Summit? The only Sunni ‘leader’ not present. Guess Turkey will continue to fight Kurds, not Islamic terror, or Islamist terror, or terror.

        • Andrew Allison

          Good catch. Apparently they’ve figured out that Erdogan is much more interested in fighting Kurds than Shiite extremism.

          • D4x

            Not easy to find a list of attendees, but, during the live broadcast, I was enjoying Fatah’s Abbas NOT talking to anyone, and then sitting in isolation. I noticed Erdogan’s absence as the camera panned. Lebanon’s Sunni PM Hariri was there. It was Erdogan’s choice to stay in Turkey, but not sure anyone else was representing Turkey in Riyadh today.

            It sounds like POTUS dialog with Erdogan on May 16 was from the scene from “Taken”, the 2008 film:

            “Taken 2008: Bryan Mills: I don’t know who you are. I don’t know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don’t have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my daughter go now, that’ll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don’t, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.

            Marko: [after a long pause] Good luck.”
            http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0936501/quotes

            The AP report at WaPo on May 18, and Reuters report at Arabnews on Sunday make it clear that Erdogan sees Kurds as terrorists, not Iran+Hezbollah:

            “ISTANBUL — Turkey has told the United States it will not join in any military operations that include Kurdish fighters in Syria, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Thursday, while vowing to strike the U.S.-backed Kurds if they threaten Turkey’s security.

            …Speaking in Istanbul two days after meeting President Donald Trump in Washington, Erdogan criticized the U.S. decision to ally with “terror organizations” for the long-awaited operation to capture Raqqa, the de facto capital of the Islamic State group.

            “We said we would not be in such an operation with you where you ally with terror organizations and so we said good luck,” Erdogan said. …”

            By Zeynep Bilginsoy | AP May 18
            https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/fm-us-understands-turkeys-position-against-syrian-kurds/2017/05/18/c3599968-3bb2-11e7-a59b-26e0451a96fd_story.html?utm_term=.1e432eb20df4

            “…“Rather than facing our people with our heads down tomorrow, we prefer to stand tall today against the scum at home and abroad,” he told thousands of rapturous supporters who gathered for an AKP congress, where he is the only leadership candidate.

            “We will continue our battle against all terrorist organizations,” he said in the Ankara sports arena, vowing to maintain a state of emergency in Turkey until peace is achieved in Turkey’s fight against Kurdish and militants….”

            “Erdogan vows fight against enemies as he returns to lead party”
            Reuters | Published — Sunday 21 May 2017
            http://www.arabnews.com/node/1102906/middle-east

            OMG: FLOTUS Melania and FDOTUS Ivanka wore skinny leg pantsuits in Riyadh today!

          • Andrew Allison

            I thought it was rather clever that, while refusing headscarves, they covered the rest of their bodies. It was actually quite brilliant. The Dims underestimate POTUS at their peril.

          • D4x

            Yes, but this pantsuit, no belt, seemed too informal for POTUS’ big speech. Possible Psy-Op, to confuse Vogue 🙂
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/576b61cf83deb2f860d99ead8d0c59c9745ea6e4f55abb27aa9b883b6b089093.jpg

          • Andrew Allison

            Come, come now. Surely you grasp that nothing associated with Trump will get a good review from CNN, and Vogue is incapable of detecting such political nuance.

          • D4x

            Most miss the symbolic meanings of FLOTUS Melania’s public fashion. Everyone underestimates FLOTUS at their peril! Being curious, …Arab Fashion Week was May 16-20, 2017 in Dubai. http://arabfashionweek.org/about/ Duh! Everything from eye shadow to shoes: good for business in Dubai!

            I follow this because the absence of coverage, with malice, is so outrageous, and, a lot better aesthetics! Have not thought about this part of the economy in a long time.

  • D4x

    Damir and Jason still do not understand POTUS Trump. And conveniently forgot he is en route to Saudi Arabia, Israel, The Vatican, G-7, and NATO meet in Sicily. Better to let Erdogan story play out, and let the legacy media handle the outrage at such “national humiliation”, at least until he is at The Vatican.

    • Andrew Allison

      Since when did the TDS-afflicted staff at TAI wait for the facts before attacking Trump?

      • D4x

        Mr. Mead does not have TDS, and, as you state separately, our comments do not penetrate the prejudiced minds of the rest of TAI staff, and they cover foreign relations.

        • Andrew Allison

          I confess that the only sign of TDS I have seen in Prof. Mead is his failure to mentor/monitor the kids who publish most posts.

          • D4x

            Good point – Via Meadia is HIS blog.

          • Andrew Allison

            Exactly. He’s allowing the children to destroy his reputation.

          • D4x

            In real children real news, Theodore Kushner took his first steps last night. Hollywood Reporter enthusiastically posted this video, with Ivanka’s assist:

            http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/05/19/ivanka-trump-son-first-steps-video-theodore/

            In Saudi Arabia, a citizen tried to name his newborn ‘Ivanka’. Very interesting story, from May 6:
            https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2017/05/06/Saudi-man-names-his-newborn-daughter-Ivanka-.html
            I was curious who was watching the Kushner children for nine days, since learning from a May 2016 interview with Melania that her parents have a home in TT, and are with Barron when she travels. That was a nice interview, before TDS.
            It should not be this difficult to read normal coverage of the First Family.
            America needs this First Family. Two scoops of ice cream is just fine.

      • D4x

        You were correct about Reuters being snark-tainted. Here is their not-easily found report on the NATO First Ladies visit to the Magritte Museum in Brussels today. The slide show is interesting, especially slide 2, with FLOTUS Melania and Mrs. Erdogan, whose expression is either because she expected to be the wife of the new Caliph honored in Riyadh, or Melania just told her ‘last NATO meeting for you’.

        https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-nato-firstladies-idUSKBN18K329

  • Boritz

    In a few weeks he could announce that after a careful and thorough investigation an array of heinous behavior was uncovered however no intent was found and no reasonable prosecutor would pursue this.

    • Andrew Allison

      I assume that [/sarc] was omitted. It might have been more clear had you added “as in the case of the Clinton email caper” between “announce” and “that” .

  • Andrew Allison

    Oh, please! Surely the lessons of the first 100 days suggest that there will be an appropriate response. It’s high past time that you guys started looking for the silver linings instead of the clouds. Didn’t the deluge of critical commentary on your last Trump hit piece register?

  • Pait

    Has the current administration ever criticizes a violent strongman? If it did, that would be news. Even Kim 3rd managed to eke some praise.

    We are at war with Australia, Canada, Mexico, and Germany. We have always been at war with Australia, Canada, Mexico, and Germany. Is that not so?

    • Jim__L

      My friend, you keep using the term “war”. I do not think it means what you think it means.

      • Pait

        Indeed, I don’t think you have a sense of irony or the ability to catch references to doublethink.

        • Tom

          Actually, he does have that. He also has the capacity to note ludicrous hyperbole.

  • Jacksonian_Libertarian

    Revenge is best served cold!

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