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The Least Bad Option in Venezuela
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  • Tim Fairbank

    Why not try the most straight-forward option?

    Raise an army, and liberate the country.

    • Kevin

      Or some spooks…

    • Arthur

      Already liberated Iraq and Libya. Is democracy and prosperity now? Refugees, capturing Europe, Americans do not care. Americans need their shale gas to sell all over the world. And nothing more. All these tales of experiences about suffering people leave fools.

  • Pait

    Can’t we just tweet something really nasty and go back to a golf vacation? That will solve all problems, right? No need for expensive ambassadors or diplomacy….

    • Isaiah6020

      You think that is all that is going on in the Trump administration regarding either North Korea or Venezuela? I hope not, because that’d be pretty stupid. Although…. I’ve been told by many that TDS is a hell of a drug.

      • Pait

        Vacation? Golf? Tweeting? Well, there’s also not nominating ambassadors…. picking fights with allies…. writing WSJ editorials about viceroys who hire mercenaries to act above the law….. so much action I’m tired of winning… gut shabes!

        • Isaiah6020

          Vacation and golf are irrelevant.
          Tweeting is what Trump does. Doesn’t answer my question about whether or not you think that is the only thing that is going on.
          Ambassadors quip is pure deflection. How is it relevant to North Korea for example?
          Who is picking fights with allies? Name one ally that we have picked a fight with over North Korea and Venezuela. Be specific.
          Your point about private contractors acting above the law is “begging the question” logical fallacy. They’ve been used under all Presidents, Republican and Democrat.
          Incoherent jabber at the end.
          Overall grade: C-. Not a single relevant point. Usual attempts to use deflection and logical fallacies. Why do you think that would work THIS time?
          The sad part is that you are one of the better Left-wingers out there. The Left is completely intellectually spent.

          • Pait

            “Name one ally that we have picked a fight with over North Korea and Venezuela. Be specific.”

            Mexico. Australia. Germany. Canada.

            Of course they would not be specifically calling out the meshuga on the threat to start a nuclear war. It’s too dangerous.

          • Isaiah6020

            Ok, so you concede all the other points and focus instead on allies.
            How did we pick a fight with Canada (I will use just one example) over Venezuela? What SPECIFIC actions were taken? How do you KNOW the other country felt affronted? Your own imagination doesn’t count.
            I also understand that you are upset that somebody who is not a eunuch will not take threats to the US lightly. Well, that’s too bad for you I guess.

          • Pait

            Your fixation with eunuchs is…. interesting.

          • Isaiah6020

            And an ad hominem attack without refuting a single point I made.
            I set out to systematically demolish your “arguments” and I have succeeded. My job here is done. It was pretty quick too. TDS is a hell of a drug. I magnanimously give you the last word.

  • Y.K.

    A. Personal sanctions have a zero percent record of ‘success’ (anywhere, everywhere). If the author wants to do nothing and let the regime starve Venezuela, just say it directly.

    B. The biggest threat to the population’s living standards is the regime’s incompetence. Blaming sanctions (when and if they arrive) is perverse. The choice is between a certain humanitarian crisis (possibly, an open rebellion) create by the crazy economic policies or a chance to avoid one by pushing the regime to negotiate meaningfully by using actual sanctions.

    C. Given the regime’s foreign policy record, IMHO, there should be no interest in creating a way to retain it.

  • SeaAyeA

    Yeah, DPRK is the more pressing issue. Venezuelans don’t seem ready to abandon failure yet anyway, at least not enough of them.

  • Fat_Man

    Have the USMC establish a beach head in Venezuela. Use it to establish a field hospital, and a supply depot. Give any Venezuelan who shops up at the gate a humanitarian box of supplies (staple foods, toilet paper, etc.) . Use the base to set up helicopter flights to parks and other places around Venezuela where the Marines can hand out humanitarian supplies. Protect Venezuelans who show up from Maduro goons.

    • D4x

      Saigon redux, ironic it was John Kerry who said goodbye to the Monroe Doctrine in 2013. JFK invoked the Monroe Doctrine with his naval blockade during the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962.

      Just to safely evacuate the remaining personnel from the US Embassy in Venezuela in the current ‘situation’ needs an Expeditionary StrikeGroup with a Full Marine Expeditionary Unit on a Wasp-class amphibious assault ship
      as part of an Amphibious Ready Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphibious_ready_group

      “composed of an Amphibious Assault Ship (LHA/LHD),
      an Amphibious transport dock (LPD) Ship,
      a Dock Landing Ship (LSD),
      and a Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) which includes a
      Marine Infantry battalion landing team,
      AV-8B Harrier II aircraft,
      CH-53 Sea Stallion,
      CH-46 Sea Knight,
      AH-1 Sea Cobra and UH-1 Huey helicopters.

  • Isaiah6020

    This looks like a perfect time and place and start financing some armed opposition. We did it in the 1980’s. Let’s do it again. There’s enough oil and cocaine there to get everybody paid.

  • D4x

    Did the Monroe Doctrine get lost during the Fundamental Transformation of America? Yes, it did:

    “Kerry: “The Monroe Doctrine Is Over”
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2013/11/19/kerry_the_monroe_doctrine_is_over.html
    http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Monroe_Doctrine

    This would be a good time to ask John Kerry if he wants to be Ambassador to Venezuela.

    History DOES repeat itself with Venezuela. TR faced a similar situation: “The Venezuelan crisis of 1902–03 was a naval blockade
    from December 1902 to February 1903 imposed against Venezuela by Britain,
    Germany and Italy over President Cipriano Castro’s refusal to pay foreign debts
    and damages suffered by European citizens in the Venezuelan civil war. …

    The episode contributed to the development of the
    Roosevelt Corollary to the Monroe Doctrine, asserting a right of the United
    States to intervene to “stabilize” the economic affairs of small
    states in the Caribbean and Central America if they were unable to pay their
    international debts, in order to preclude European intervention to do so.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_crisis_of_1902%E2%80%9303

    It’s ok, TAI – I finished reading Morris’ “Theodore Rex” last week. The Venezuela Crisis was memorable. Only reason I read this post.

    Currently re-reading, for the third time, “From the Holy Mountain: A Journey Among the Christians of the Middle East”, Dalrymple’s travel memoir published in 1997. Having survived Turkey’s beyond brutal war against the PKK while visiting Syriac monasteries, he just arrived at the Baron Hotel in Aleppo, Syria, Aug. 28, 1994.

  • Jacksonian_Libertarian

    The Venezuelans must suffer for their stupidity. Giving Leftists power has consequences. Leftist policies only lead to one place.

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