Himalayan Standoff
Is the India-China Border Heating Up Again?
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  • FriendlyGoat

    How does one ask the two most populous nations on earth to focus on the most important things for both countries, and not go nuts on the least important things? Is there an anonymous “suggestion box” somewhere?

  • D4x

    Eleven days before the Doklam/Sikkim “August 28 disengagement, IndianExpress reported: “Apache attack helicopters: Everything you need to know: Apache attack choppers: The self-sealing fuel system in the chopper protects it against the loss of fuel, making it handy in case of a war. According to its maker Boeing, the AH 64 is capable of classifying and prioritizing of up to 128 targets in less than 60 seconds. By: Express Web Desk | New Delhi | Published:August 17, 2017 7:55 pm

    “…The proposal for six choppers was finally cleared at a meeting of the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) chaired by Defence Minister
    Arun Jaitley today.” http://indianexpress.com/article/india/apache-attack-helicopters-everything-you-need-to-know-indian-army-defence-ministry-arun-jaitley-4801448/


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_AH-64_Apache

    The agreement between the USA and India was announced at the White House on June 26, 2017, during PM Modi’s Official Visit, https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/06/26/united-states-and-india-prosperity-through-partnership
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/06/26/remarks-president-trump-and-prime-minister-modi-india-joint-press

    Re-inforced on “June 27, 2017 Remarks by the Vice President to the US-India Business Council Andrew W. Mellon Auditorium
    Washington, D.C.11:00 A.M. EDT” “…yesterday’s announcement that the United States will sell Sea Guardian UAVs, Apache attack helicopters, and C-17 transports to India. That process of approval is all underway as we speak…”
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/06/27/remarks-vice-president-us-india-business-council

    And again on July 14, 2017: “…Cara Abercrombie, deputy assistant secretary of defense for South and Southeast Asia, discussed the defense and security relationship between the two nations during a panel at the 2017 Global Business Forum in New York City.
    The topic comes two weeks after Defense Secretary Jim Mattis met with India Prime Minister Narendra Modi here to discuss the importance of the U.S.-India relationship, and the role of both nations in cooperating to foster democratic laws and principles.

    …Fundamentally, Abercrombie added, “We have the same interests in upholding this international system that upholds the rule of law that favors freedom of navigation, open sea lanes of communication, and freedom of over flight. Those are values that are critically important to the United States and India to our economic prosperity and to our access in the region.”

    The United States has sold India C-130 Hercules, C-17 Globemaster III and P-8 Poseidon aircraft; CH-47 Chinook and AH-64 Apache helicopters; and offered the Guardian unmanned aerial vehicle, the latter of which Abercrombie called incredibly significant.”
    https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/1248126/us-india-defense-relationship-on-positive-trajectory-dod-official-says/

    Pence included this anecdote in his June 27 speech:
    “…As the President announced yesterday, his daughter Ivanka Trump will lead the American delegation to the Global Entrepreneurship Summit in India this fall.

    And I was very humbled when the Prime Minister Modi extended a personal invitation to me to represent the United States. And we’re already making plans to take him up on his invitation. (Applause.) In fact, I told him when I was governor of Indiana one of my ambitions was to be the first governor from Indiana to visit India. (Laughter.) I didn’t get it done then, but the Prime Minister and I had a nice chuckle because he told me that the words “India ana” mean “coming to India.” (Applause.)

    The United States and India seek the same objectives in the Indo-Pacific region: prosperity, security, peace. …”

    Claude Arpi has a fascinating, informative website, with maps on “The India-Tibet Boundary becomes the Sino-Indian boundary”
    http://www.claudearpi.net/maps

    Barahoti in Uttaranchal, in the central sector of the boundary that has been disputed by China since they occupied Tibet:
    http://www.claudearpi.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Barahoti-Rediff jpg [insert the . to see the jpg of this very detailed map – I do not know about permission – got way too distracted by Arpi’s link to a Central Asian map database, which has incredibly detailed topographic maps of eastern Afghanistan , created by the U.S. Army in 1942. 1942. Afghanistan was neutral during WW2, so I guess the U.S. Army wanted contingency logistics plan to supply Stalin’s USSR, in case Iran got too ‘restive’.

    My guess is China will wait until they finish re-organizing the PLA, before they try to slice the salami along their 3,488-km Line of Actual Control (LAC) decades-long boundary dispute with India. After all, China prizes stability. India will never suffer further humiliation on their boundary with Sinicized-Tibet.

    And, China could bully India when India was non-aligned.
    Now, India is an Official Major Defense Partner for the United States of America.
    The PLA never had to face Apaches, piloted by Indians.

    • MyWord245

      You should use a different font or something for your comments. I enjoy reading them

      • D4x

        Thank you. Yes, learning how to use html to format in Disqus is very high on my to-do list. Thing is, I keep promising myself that I shall just stop turning my computer on, and do anything else 🙂

  • Jacksonian_Libertarian

    China’s Belligerence on its borders, and its outrageously unjust claims to the China Sea, are the greatest threat to world peace. China barely avoided being chopped up by the Colonial Powers in the 1800’s, and if it wasn’t for US opposition to this kind of empire building, they would have been.

    China has yet to make the Cultural changes necessary to develop a Modern Civilization (Democracy, Rule of Law, the ending of state monopolies and state owned enterprises), and owe their uplifting to being bootstrapped by Foreign Investors, taking advantage of cheap Chinese labor, and potential 1.3 Billion new Consumers. This bootstrapping has ended as Chinese labor is no longer cheap, and $1 Trillion per year of Capital Flight is the exact opposite of Investment. In the over 40 years since China opened up to the West, China hasn’t spawned a single World Class Brand name like Sony, Toyota, Kia, Samsung, Intel, Microsoft, Apple, etc… and they don’t produce anything that can’t be made elsewhere, when China becomes to risky or unprofitable. Creativity is a function of Free Markets, and China’s Communist Government doesn’t allow Free Markets, so no Creativity.

    The conflict being promoted by China in the China sea, has the potential to destroy 40 years of Chinese gains. A strategic blockade of China’s ports would end 95% of China’s foreign trade, and would likely result in disavowal of all China’s foreign Treasury holdings (~$3.0 Trillion). It’s stupid to anger all the nations that sit on your trade routes, when 40% of your nation’s economic activity is tied to foreign trade.

    Let’s review, a war in the China Sea would cut Chinese GDP by 40% ($21 Trillion – $8.4 Trillion = $12.6 Trillion), and $3 Trillion in foreign Treasuries would mean a loss of $11.4 Trillion immediately, and the bottom line is all that loss, would become America’s and the World’s gains. Even after the war was concluded, China would have lost most of its foreign markets to less risky producers permanently. Without the foreign capital and expertise, China would revert to inefficient State Owned Enterprises. This means the $12.6 Trillion GDP China is left with will be stagnate like the Water Buffalo Level economy China had before the opening up to western investment. Without the “Rule of Law” the politically connected loot the economy, and the level of corruption in China is hundreds of times greater than what you will find in America.

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