An open society needs to be keenly aware of the cynical perfidy of its adversaries.
Unfortunately, Americans have a deep love of conspiracy theories, which can easily cause vigilance to mutate into witch hunts; examine the satanic child abuse trials of the 80s and 90s for a recent, more-or-less nonpolitical and deeply tragic example. Or last year’s epidemic of “evil clown” sightings for a comic example.
When one adds politics to the mix, things here always get much crazier.
Not that we shouldn’t keep an eye on the Russians; I don’t think they’ve changed since I was there 30 years ago: There’s still not much evidence of either scruples or ruth. But their interests are clearly in gathering intelligence and fomenting chaos, not in putting any particular candidate in the White House.
And the notion that Putin could have believed it was remotely possible to elect Donald Trump when every reputable American political expert had dozens or hundreds of reasons that it could never happen is simply untenable, implying, as it does, that Russian intelligence understands America better than the vast majority of American scholars and politicians.
On the other hand, there are many who have a very low opinion of American scholars and politicians….
“But their interests are clearly in gathering intelligence and fomenting
chaos, not in putting any particular candidate in the White House.”
Nailed it, there.
ALL sides should be checked out for Russian interference. The Russians have no incentive to do anything other than sow chaos. Recent movements, such as the gay agenda and Political Correct university professors who oppose free speech for Conservatives, are just as likely (more likely, as they attack traditional American institutions) as Trump operatives to be stooges of Russian operatives.
It’s just due diligence, guys.
Precisely. Vigilance carried to or even towards its logical end point tends to negate openness. And as for the politics: well, just trying being vigilant in this country against Islamic terrorism and see where that gets you.
We know, Putin isn’t a nice guy. That has precisely nothing to do with Clinton corruption, DNC collusion with the MSM, or the shafting of Sanders which is now a matter of court record from the lawsuit. I can say that Putin is a thug and killer in the same sentence in which I say that I’m thankful to know about HRCs public and private positions, and the DNC-MSM collusion. And why throw in the bit about migrant crime? I mean, that doesn’t change the terror attacks and the real rapes and basically snuff going on. You sound like co-intel-pro, and not very good at it.
That’s so true buddy. TAI and TNI are good places to discover real cointelpro and clinton shills.
I believe that whatever money Russia spent to influence our election was an elaborate waste of time. I say let them continue to waste their money. I don’t see how money spent is going to contribute to a blue collar worker in Ohio changing their vote.
Putin and Trump No Matter What! Religion did that to both Russia and America. It’s the main story.
You’re a bitter old loser.
For the record, one should note that Hillary talked (and wrote — or, more accurately, had written) a lot about the influence of her religious beliefs on her political positions; Donald, while engaging in some — generally risible — talk of religion, did not.
Vladimir is a supporter of the notoriously corrupt state-supported Russian Orthodox Church, who were bought off by the Communists decades ago and whose appetite for government money has been in no way diminished by the fall of Communism.
So, on balance, one must conclude that the American election indicates a rejection of religiosity and that Russian support for Putin reflects their affection for the trappings, but not the core, of Orthodoxy.
I’ll stick with my belief that a majority of the active AND nominally-affiliated “members” of the Russian Orthodox Church are Putin voters and the with exit-poll results indicating that 81% of white evangelicals in America voted for Trump. It really doesn’t matter what Hillary said. We’ve got conservative church folks installing Putin in Russia and Trump in America. The reasons for religion supporting questionable leaders may be unclear, but the evidence that it has happened is not unclear.
Both of the major American candidates were “questionable leaders.” I think the egomaniac is doing much better than the self-righteous egotist would have, though it would have been nice to have a candidate with both knowledge of history and experience in creating political consensus. But history is no longer taught in the US (though Theory is, in abundance), and the possibility of consensus was severely damaged by the Democrats’ assault on Bork decades ago and rendered otiose (or so everyone thought) when the wall fell nearly twenty years ago.
There are no more Lincolns, no Eisenhowers, no Trumans — not even any Coolidges. The best we can hope for is G. Harrold Carswell, of whom Hruska said, “there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren’t they, and a little chance?”
There are thousands of people in America as talented, as educated, as capable and as willing as a Lincoln, Eisenhower, Truman or Coolidge. The problem is not lack of leadership material. The PROBLEM is with the quality of the voters’ judgment which is getting worse by the day in several countries. Putin, Trump, Erdogan, Duterte and Maduro are all examples of people elected who should not have been.
“Putin, Trump, Erdogan, Duterte and Maduro are all examples of people elected who should not have been.” I do not like Putin, Erdogan and Maduro, but OK with Trump and Duterte. Your listing all these very different people in the same category makes no sense for me.
Putin, Trump, Erdogan and Duterte are all birds of a similar personality feather. Maduro is a different kind of problem, but none of these should have been elected by sensible people.
In desperate times people want leaders who can make difference. To drain the swamp, to build the wall, to stop drug epidemy. Politics as usual does not work anymore, so a new kind of leaders is needed.
Putin. Erdogan, Trump and Duterte ARE the swamps. All of them are pushing the envelope as close to outright dictatorship as they can get it.
The real 81%https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3bb7fc44139a10ac72744fec0f2f2434db60ee7c626fb8fd380e212ffddce568.jpg 11 22 2016 “According to Gallup, Americans are also split about evenly on whether Trump will do more to unite the country (45%) or do more to divide it (49%). These views largely follow party lines, with 88% of Republicans believing Trump will do more to unite the country and 81% of Democrats saying he will do more to divide it.” https://austincountynewsonline.com/america-never-divided-gallup/
Wrong. These were not voters, conservative or not, who installed Putin. It were special services which did it.
Using what for votes?
Falsifications. And captive voters instructed how to vote: government servants, soldiers and illiterate Kyrgis and other Central Asia migrant workers, practically slaves, often bused from one polling precinct to another (so-called “carousel” trick). Most polling occurred in schools, commissions formed from teachers and overlooked by school masters, taking their orders from authorities.
Sounds to me like they have you convinced that ordinary Russians don’t want Putin and only have him because of all these “falsifications”. It’s my understanding that Putin is actually quite popular and people vote for him. The question is why. My suspicion is that he has more or less hypnotized everyone with even a loose affinity for the church.
Russian population is very diverse in their attitudes to everything, and people of different age groups belong to different epochs: pre-modern, modern and post-modern. I would better avoid any generalizations, since we live in the ocean of deliberate lies, and nobody knows anymore what people actually think. Only a major political upheaval would reveal the real picture. It can be very different from what we were led to believe.
This is one reason why I suspect that religion has been the tipping factor toward the longevity of Putin. It may be the lowest common denominator in what some people “think” they understand amidst a sea of confusion on other matters. A similar thing appears to now be occurring in the USA. Nothing else very well explains Trump here.
The secret of Putin’s longevity has nothing to do with his popularity, it is just a successful power grab by unscrupolous thug and the suppresion by him of all organized opposition to it. The popularity is a fake, the result of Stockholm syndrome: the worst tyrans in history are usually “loved” untill they are toppled, like Chausescu was.
I keep telling you it is the church people putting him there. They are the ones who do not “get” the thug part.