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Libya Afterparty
From Responsibility to Protect to Slave Markets
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  • Beauceron

    “But the latest news, that slave markets are now operating in Libya, where desperate black Africans are being bought and sold as slaves, ought to trigger some kind of response.”

    But there has been a response. The fault is Europe’s for not opening its doors even wider. As the Left’s current mantra on the subject says, “Borders Kill.” These slave markets would be unnecessary if people didn’t have to be smuggled in the first place. We’re all one people after all, aren’t we? Besides, the only reason Africa is poor is because of European colonialism anyway, so Europe owes these people.

    • Matt B

      Exactly. And I’m sure that somewhere out there is a tortured argument that ties it all to the invasion of Iraq.

      • FriendlyGoat

        Such argument, if any, would be as good as the one TAI was making to tie this to Obama. Wherever this kind of chaos exists in any absence of autocratic dictators (the only known force capable of keeping the lids on), you can know that the societies are so deluded in false religion that they are literally INCAPABLE of democratic self-government. This is a problem quite independent from trying to blame it on America or on either the left or right forces in American politics.

        • LarryD

          Libya has been an instructive lesson on why we sometimes have to hold our nose and deal with dictators. The alternative can indeed be worse.

          • FriendlyGoat

            Indeed. Iran was such a lesson. Ditto Iraq and Afghanistan. Ditto Eqypt and Libya. Ditto Somalia. Ditto Yemen.
            Questions are now in the open whether Syria continues with a bad dictator or something unknown and worse, whether Saudi Arabia becomes destabilized and whether Turkey (once one of the best examples of citizen government in an Islamic place) goes “back to the future” of more of a dictatorship due to Islam.

            I maintain that the over-arching influence of a false religion, which by its own tenets makes secular democracy near impossible, is the common problem. But, hey, that’s just me.

        • Eurydice

          OK, so shouldn’t the Obama administration, with all their great and subtle minds, known that Libyans were incapable of democratic self-government? What did they think would happen when they created the absence of an autocratic dictator?

          • FriendlyGoat

            Bush tried to “help” Iraq and Afghanistan stand up and become sensible. Obama tried again with Egypt and Libya, but with less “hands on” from here. They all failed, with Egypt failing to the least degree because al-Sisi is a quasi-dictator employing human rights abuses as needed to keep the lid on.

          • Mike Morgan

            Iraq failed after Obama pulled the US troops out too soon. Even some 70 years after WW2 we have troops in Germany and Japan. Really smart people might recognize there is a Pax Americanus effect.

          • Don_Martin1

            Indeed. There also seems to be a lesson to be learned after 14 years of constructive interventions: Muslim peoples aren’t interested in democracy. They’d rather keep their tribe/clan/family structure, and zero social, economic and cultural development. Good luck.

          • FriendlyGoat

            You have a point, but there are some problems with it. The citizens in Islamic nations are offended by the presence of USA troops, unlike modern Germany and Japan. We have to remember with Iraq that had we been extended a status-of-forces agreement NOT subjecting our presence to possible capricious prosecution, we would probably still be there in substantial numbers.
            But we didn’t get that.

  • D4x

    Perhaps Reuters is charting a new course in not-partisan media coverage with this headline today?: “Tillerson carries Syria stance to Moscow as Trump administration speaks for West “ Tue Apr 11, 2017 | 9:18am EDT “U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson carried a unified message from world powers to Moscow on Tuesday, denouncing Russian support for Syria and taking up America’s traditional role as leader of the West on behalf of Donald Trump’s administration. …”

    [Almost invokes “Lord of the Rings”]

  • Drive-by-Comment

    WRM is an Obama voter. He gave us Obama and Obama’s mess.

  • catorenasci

    Democrats have always been cool with slavery and slave markets….

  • buddygonzo

    Obama – Clinton – Rice

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