Settled Science
The Most Futile March Ever
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  • ShadrachSmith

    Re: “It begins in the streets.”

    Your sanguine conclusion that it will stay in the streets and be forgotten ignores the success Democrat politics has experienced using political street theater. The basic message is to legislators, Democrats are the only thing standing between you and the pitchfork wielding mobs that we control. Give us a big pile of money (think Danegeld) to make me and my friends rich, or we will lead the mob against you, you personally, at your house. Sulla and the Jacobins successfully overawed legislators, I see no reason to believe the Democrats can’t.

    • qet

      Only hindsight will tell, of course, but calling these kids and dreamers who gathered in NYC a “mob” is being too generous. In both Sulla’s case and the Jacobins, the mob succeeded because (a) they slaughtered people freely, (b) in order to appropriate their property and wealth. Nor did this event resemble the workers’ marches of the early 20th century conducted amidst the strains of the Internationale. Those mobs, too, marched out of pure economic interest, and they also had power–the power to strike and thus harm capitalist enterprise, and it was the capitalists who then got the legislators’ attention.

  • Jacksonian_Libertarian

    The most successful political movement of modern times is the TEA Party movement. And it gave up on Rallies after about 18 months, when everyone had seen that there was huge support for small constitutional Government, and got organized. Once the political forces were organized, a Rally was seen as a waste of time and effort that would be better spent selecting and getting favorable candidates elected.

  • Jonathan Pappy Gilchrist

    I’m sorry, I laugh at the right when they condemn anyone as ‘socialist, tree hugging, granola eating’ for supporting anything that seems contrary with their point of view, i.e. keeping things pretty much the same as it has been for the past 100 years, (excluding the new deal of course). I’d say it’s pretty hard to trivialize 100,000 + marching in the streets even if it was liberal, secular, socialist New York, LOL!

    • qet

      Actually, it’s pretty easy to trivialize it. Via Meadia just did.

    • Suzyqpie

      Those 100,000 represent .0003 percent of the US population, using a 310M population figure. That makes it incredibly easy to trivialize.

    • George Turner

      It would be harder to condemn them as socialists if they would quit holding up banners demanding socialist revolution. We have cameras now, and the interweb tubes.

      A fairly recent paper in sociology noted that left-wing social movements fail in the US because they attract the usual left-wing protesters, and that most Americans reflexively roll their eyes, point, and laugh at the Marxist idiots in clown suits with paper mache heads..

      It’s even frustrating to “thinkers” and pundits on the left, as was evident in their constant offering of advice to the Occupy Wall Street movement, which couldn’t seem to go beyond pooping on police cars and whining. The talking heads and Democrat party strategists kept vainly hoping that the protesters would heed their words of political wisdom, and they might as well have been ranting “For god’s sakes, why don’t monkeys build banana plantations? I don’t understand it!”

      • Jonathan Pappy Gilchrist

        You make important points. Socialist ‘revolution’ in the USA is a ridiculous notion and has been for many years. But I wonder if people on the right, especially those in more insular communities, really know what socialism is. The right wing bull horn media has created a bogey man out of the very suggestion of anything socialistic in our government without realizing that a capitalistic, democratic government can and does apply socialized programs (idealistically) effectively and without infringing on our ingenuity and production in a capitalist nation. It is socialized programs that virtually ended geriatric poverty in this nation (social security, although it seems to be coming back), education (public school systems) These two particular systems are faltering terribly due to 33 years of budget cuts. I could go on with heath car but we all seem on the brink of civil war over that issue and this article is about climate change which I can’t understand how ‘socialists’ have anything to do with it. But it seems that if you’re on the right or on the left, one has no choice but to buy the whole package deal that comes along with being right or left. I resent that notion.

        As for the occupy movement, it was a good idea but, as I said, public school systems practically teach nothing now days and I’m afraid that was evident. One thing I can say for the Tea Party and it’s sympathizers, they certainly know how to use our democratic system and they vote! The liberal factions seem too busy having cocktails, to my deep disappointment.

  • Pete

    Good take on the loons marching in NYC.

  • RonRonDoRon

    The Thanksgiving Day parade in NYC is expected to draw 3.5 million people, mostly from areas nearby. If we accept organizers’ estimates, 300K people, drawn from all over the US, attended the climate march in NYC.

    I think this gives us an indication of how much importance is given to climate alarmism by the general public in the US.

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  • Jeff R.

    Wow. Via Meadia unusually harsh in its condemnation. I like it.

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  • James Donnaught

    No comments from the author about those dozens-strong teabagger rallies, of course.

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