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A Better Global Approach to Climate Change?
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  • rheddles

    Sounds like a way for Barry to get the rest of the world to gang up on the Republicans.

  • Fat_Man

    A better way would be to ignore the whole non-problem.

    • ShadrachSmith

      CO2 and temperature trends have diverged, which makes it unlikely that CO2 controls the planet’s temperature like Sauron’s Ring.

      A friendly source for the general point about divergence: What to Make of a Warming Plateau – The New York Times, Jun 10, 2013. Which states in relevant part: “The rise in the surface temperature of earth has been markedly slower over the last 15 years than in the 20 years before that. And that lull in warming has occurred even as greenhouse gases have accumulated in the atmosphere at a record pace.”

      In the last couple of weeks a good YouTube video with the unfortunate name, “Why Global Warming Failed” came out. If you have a half hour to spend on the subject, it is a pleasant young solar scientist giving an earnest powerpoint presentation. The most listenable critique of the AGW theory that an AGW advocate could hope for, it is. The internet abounds with divergence charts search: “CO2 and temperature diverge”, hit image, and take your pick.

      Humans raised the atmospheric CO2 level, no doubt about it. But the new level is still only 0.04% of the atmosphere which is some similar fraction of the earth’s mass. The original AGW theory fabricated causation out of previous correlation between CO2 and temperature, which is bad science. AGW theory now claims that the divergence doesn’t exist/matter, and that the tiny bit of atmospheric CO2 controls the temperature anyway (like Sauron’s Ring?), which is pseudoscience.

      The most difficult part of science is passing up glory and available grant money that is reserved for propping up a cherished but falsified theory, and the AGW crowd just isn’t up to the task 🙂

    • keith

      It would be nice if it were a non-problem. If it were a “non-problem” it would ultimately lead to the vast majority of scientists from geology, chemistry, physics, biology, botany,…etc. all being embarrassed and having egg on their face. But somehow I conclude that when science has this type of consensus they get it right. Wouldn’t you agree they have a decent track record with the theory of gravity, theory of relativity, theory of thermodynamics,…etc. Our world is based on these “theories”.

      • Fat_Man

        Keith: Your faith is touching.

        • keith

          No it’s more pragmatism than anything else.

          • Fat_Man

            There is no such thing:

            The ideas of economists and political philosophers, both when they are right and when they are wrong, are more powerful than is commonly understood. Indeed the world is ruled by little else. Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist. Madmen in authority, who hear voices in the air, are distilling their frenzy from some academic scribbler of a few years back. I am sure that the power of vested interests is vastly exaggerated compared with the gradual encroachment of ideas. — J.M. Keynes in “The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money” Book 6, Chapter 24 “Concluding Notes”

          • keith

            Well Okay. In my opinion the changes wrought by global warming will be the prism through which all major events, wars, strife…etc are viewed. Your all powerful economists and politicians will genuflect to the impact on virtually all aspects of our world. And unfortunately this will occur in short order.

          • Fat_Man

            It’s sort of like watching a kitten try to catch the red dot cast by a laser pointer.

  • Rick Johnson

    Let them fly to their pointless Global Gabfests. At least they are doing something useful by generating tones of plant food.

    Passing laws that shut down industries causes actual problems.

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