Failed State Watch
Ethnic Violence Kills Hundreds in South Sudan
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  • Jim__L

    “We will not be ruled by those whose ways are strange to us”.

    Freedom and liberty were supposed to ameliorate this universal human sentiment. These days we’re seeing that freedom and liberty, taken to the extremes of libertinism, causes so much strain that the “freedom and liberty” approach itself can start to fail.

    (Of course, winner-takes-all politics at the national level probably cause most of this strain.)

  • Andrew Allison

    Ah, for the relatively peaceful days of Colonialism! I’ve commented before that democracy isn’t for everybody. History, and current events in Africa and elsewhere suggest that extreme tribalism, nationalism, and religious conflict can only be contained by iron rule.

    • Jim__L

      The savage wars of peace, then?

      “We will not be ruled by those whose ways are strange to us” echoes down through the years…

      • Andrew Allison

        . . . unless the rule be iron.
        FWIW, the full title of Boot’s history of American interventionism is “The Savage Wars of Peace: Small Wars and the Rise of American Power”

        • Jim__L

          Kipling was prescient. I wonder what he would make of our current situation?

          • Andrew Allison

            As a died-in-the-wool Jingoist, he’s no doubt rotating in his grave at close to the speed of light!

          • Jim__L

            I’m curious — does your original comment about “iron rule” cast the Jingoist epithet in something other than its usual pejorative sense?

          • Andrew Allison

            I was suggesting that if one looks at the results, recent and and historical, of overthrowing iron rules, the sobriquet should not necessarily be pejorative.

  • rheddles

    Ethnic violence?

  • free_agent

    One way to look at it is that South Sudan isn’t really developing economically. Instead, it’s an incredibly poor and backward country that happens to have a lot of oil in it. Whoever runs the place gets the money from the oil. The people of the country are economically worthless; all of the oil extraction will be done by contracted foreigners. A truly kleptocratic ruler would simply sweep the entire population out of the way. A more primitive and tribal ruler will redistribute the wealth to people in his tribe and sweep the entire population of every other tribe out of the way.

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