Greek neo-Nazi Party Looks Abroad
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  • thrasymachus02

    Golden Dawn advocates for the interests of Greeks over those of immigrants and foreign creditors. It describes itself as “social nationalist”. It bears no relationship to the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. Since “neo-nazi” is intended as a perjorative, perhaps you could defend its use.

    • Tom

      Let’s see–the party magazine has said that 1945 saw the end of a great era and that the ideals of National Socialism were pretty awesome.
      They may not be psychotically genocidal, but I’ll be hanged if I want these guys in charge of a corner newsstand.

      • thrasymachus02

        Not genocidal so, not neo-nazi.

        • Tom

          You missed the adverb: “may.” I don’t know their leader, but I wouldn’t be surprised if, given that they think 1945 marked the end of a great era, they’re totally cool with genocide.

          • thrasymachus02

            “May” can describe an extremely low level of probability but you haven’t even established that. The term “nazi” is meaningless outside of designating someone as having the intent to commit genocide, as other NSDAP policies have been held by political groups regarded as benign. Furthermore it’s the worst possible thing to call someone, implying they have no political rights and should be treated as criminal. So unless you can show Golden Dawn has genocide as a policy or intent, which you can’t, the term “neo-nazi” is just a mindless smear, as it usually is. You don’t care, because you think you get to decide who’s good and bad. But that only works if people accept your moral authority.

          • Tom

            I’m curious: which NSDAP policies are you referring to?

          • thrasymachus02

            The NSDAP had a variety of labor and economic policies that while not consistent with neoliberalism, are not actually considered objectionable and practiced in some form many places today. The only reason anybody remembers or cares about the Nazis is they killed Jews. (Killing Ukranians or Armenians is forgettable.) So calling somebody a Nazi is only done to accuse them of planning to kill Jews. You won’t answer on this point so the discussion is pointless. Golden Dawn is not a neo-nazi party.

          • Tom

            Hey, Thrasymachus. I remember both of those things. I don’t think you’d mind me calling someone who wasn’t bent on causing mass famine a Communist if they favored policies that equated to Communism.
            So, yeah, try again.

    • Their party symbol certainly isn’t trying to avoid the association.

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