More Jew Hatred in France
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  • Kenny

    “Jew hatred tells us that some (hopefully small) number of French citizens are missing some of the essential qualities that members of a successful and prosperous community need to have.”

    It is Muslim immigrants who may or may not be citizens who are responsible for these attacks.

    So, always being political correct, Mead blames the hate on “a number of French citizens.” That’s pathetic.

    Come on, Mead. [Profane reference removed].

  • You mean “more Jew hatred among French immigrants” don’t you? Haven’t read the article yet but I bet that’s the story. Let’s be honest, not politically correct.

  • Ok, read it. I was right. This is an immigrant problem. A Muslim immigrant problem to be more precise. These are uncivilized people by contemporary Western standards who come from uncivilized countries with an uncivilized culture. Human rights, freedom of speech, tolerance, the rule of law, are foreign to them. And they are not assimilating. The same is true all across Europe apparently from what I’ve been reading. It’s time for a world-wide pause in immigration from non-Western countries into Western societies until we can re-assess the situation and assimilate the numbers we already have. Let us watch how Israel handles it.

    Political correctness is the enemy of social common sense. And realism is the first desideratum of moral responsibility in this world.

  • Snorri Godhi

    More Jew hatred in France.
    More hypocrisy from a pal of George Soros.

  • Kris

    1. Most anti-Semitic acts in Western Europe are indeed committed by Muslims.
    2. Anti-Semitic attitudes are significantly more common among Western Europeans (not including Muslims) than in North America.
    3. Anti-Semitic acts are much less common in North America (including among Muslims) than in Western Europe.

    Question: is 3 a result of 2? That is, are Muslims more likely to commit anti-Semitic acts in Europe because they feel this has societal sanction?

  • Corlyss

    “It is a pathology linked to deep social and intellectual malaise, and the reality is that a failure to deal with these attitudes”

    Among the attitudes that need readjusting are those of the elites about immigration and labor markets. Europe has never had a “sign on and your one of us” citizenship policy. No matter how long immigrants are in country, the French will never think of them as citizens. That makes assimilation almost impossible. Nations need to stop trying to replicate American immigration experience when they haven’t a clue how or why it worked. Heck, they don’t even understand why 27 states with different languages and cultures can’t be melded into a United States of Europe!

  • Corlyss

    @ Luke Lea
    “You mean “more Jew hatred among French immigrants” don’t you?”

    Only partly. The attitude of the officials, like the police and magistrates, in France and Netherlands, and probably other European nations as well, is that the Jews “do things” to annoy the Muslim immigrants, like wear their signature clothing or run identifiably Jewish businesses. So they consider the Jews to be provacative to Muslims. They limply prosecute victims, if they prosecute at all. They tell complainants and victims of beatings like the one described to “stop doing things that annoy the Muslims.”

    In 2004 there was an article in Commentary by Nidra Poler, an American expat who went to live in France during the Nixon administration. She married French; her kids are half-French; her in-laws are French. Yet, after years of trying to assimilate and be French, she realized she and her family were at risk from Muslim thugs who were not punished or otherwise cautioned or supervised by the state officials. So she made the reluctant decision to return to the US, where she might not like the Republican administration, but at least her family would be safe.

    As Muslim and PetroArab money has spread across Europe extorting support for the Palestinian cause in return for ample oil, anti-Semitism has exploded. There’s no signs of abating.

  • Corlyss

    “They limply prosecute victims, if they prosecute at all.”

    What I meant to say was prosecute the perps. I should know better than to try to compose and edit in this little window . . .

  • Jules

    Maybe the main representatives of the French Jewish community should reconsider its vehemently pro-immigration and anti-French nationalist stance.

  • Neville

    The reason the Jewish community in France is obliged to ‘take these attacks for granted’ is that the French authorities appear to be committed to never actually doing anything effective about them.

    The French government is willing to make endless statements of principle, but not willing to address the fact that it ceded control over what happens in and around many areas where ‘North African’ immigrants live, more than a decade ago.

  • Cunctator

    The rise of anti-semitism is largely, although not exclusively, due to the presence of large Muslim minorities in Europe. Everyone knows this, even if it is hardly ever reported. IN fact, some years ago, the EU refused to release a 2003 report that it had commissioned that came to that conclusion. The report was originally posted on the web by the World Jewish Congress, but has since been taken off. The very next year, however, a followup report by the EU concluded that anti-semitism was due to disaffected white youth.

    As the Muslim population in Europe grows and becomes more confident (a serious problem now exacerbated by the election of Hollande in France), we should expect that cowardice by Europe’s political elites will do likewise. God help us if a similar dynamic starts to become evident on this side of the Atlantic. The Jewish community in any country is rather like th canary in a coalmine, measuring the viability of basic rights and freedoms.

  • A couple of weeks ago I was getting off a train in Brussels Midi and stood by a door on the train with the “danger, electricity” sign on it. Underneath it someone had scrawled, “Only Jews inside.” I stood there and stared at it for about a half minute, realizing that I was in western Europe and looking at a casual statement wishing for Jews to die. It made me sick to my stomach.

  • JWnTX

    Does anybody who’s witnessed a leftist rally in this country doubt that leftists in France are any less anti-Semitic than our own American leftists? It doesn’t matter if they’re Muslim or not–the left is as anti-Semitic/pro-Palestinian as any Muslim.

  • Robert

    “That is, are Muslims more likely to commit anti-Semitic acts in Europe because they feel this has societal sanction?”

    Perhaps. Maybe it’s because they know that they are much more likely to get their heads shot off if they do it here.

  • Who cares

    Since the French police are taking these attacks like the old Gestapo would, is it time for the Mossad to protect French Jews?

  • France for years made much of its affection for Islam and is now reaping a harvest. The Algeria and Syria problem survives.

  • EvilBuzzard

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dream_of_Scipio_(book)

    Iain Pears hypothesizes that the French have been fundamentally anti-semitic since they were known as Gaul and were still ruled by The Roman Empire.

  • Robert Hanson

    This is what is happening now, when the “immigrants” are still a minority. Read up on the demographic decline of ethic Europeans, and the prolific reproduction of immigrants, and ponder the future. A good start would be America Alone by Mark Steyn.

    Only 25 years from now, Muslim immigrants and their descendents, will be the majority in many European nations, notably including France. It seems many of the EU nations have seen the writing on the wall, and already are ceding defeat of their their “Western” values. Which are about to become obsolete anyway, due to demographic decline….

  • Bill

    “France for years made much of its affection for Islam and is now reaping a harvest. ”

    This from the country with the headscarf ban. I don’t think so. I would argue that their pandering has much more to do with modern conflict resolution “best practices” — Lean less on the one making the problem and more on the one more likely to bend (as in “don’t annoy them by being so… you know… Jewish.”). And the fact that they likely provide cheap labor (likely more to be cheaper than the average French citizen (Goy or Jewish) also may be a .. small… factor.

  • Bill

    (-: And how can I have forgotten France’s version of Beowulf, “The Song of Roland.” Lots of culturally-ingrained Islamophilia there too 🙂

  • willis

    “The persistence of violent Jew hatred tells us that some (hopefully small) number of French citizens are missing some of the essential qualities that members of a successful and prosperous community need to have.”

    Let me help you a little there Dr. Mead. Those French “citizens” are Muslims. The essential qualities you suspect to be missing are civilized behavior and maturity. These are barbarians who only fit in a typical Middle Eastern country.

  • Sam L.

    Kris, it may not have societal sanction, but it clearly does not have societal disapproval, nor sanctions against the perpetrators.

    And there’s plenty of anti-semitism in Europe even without the Muslim immigrants. Still, there is also the failure to integrate the immigrants into the state cultures.

  • I encourage the Jews of France to obtain small, easily concealed firearms. Eliminating a few of the attackers will go a long way towards eliminating the attacks.

    Undoubtedly, defending yourself will result in prison time for some, but the old saw better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 remains true.

  • FrankL

    An ignorant person is one who does not know something, a stupid person is one who is incapable of learning. Reading Meade repeating the same oft-debunked claptrap over and over leads me to the inevitable conclusion that he is stupid.

    There is no disease called “Jew-hatred”. Muslims have developed a hatred of Jews over the last hundred years for reasons which should need no explanation, they did NOT come down with a virus.

    >”The persistence of violent Jew hatred tells us that some (hopefully small) number of French citizens are missing some of the essential qualities that members of a successful and prosperous community need to have.”

    French citizens! The fact that Meade feels the need to engage in this sort of sleight-of-hand further undermines his asinine hypothesis. I notice that in Meades fevered imagination, Jews in France are Jews, while Muslims in France are “French citizens”.

    There is a very fine line between a fanatical philo-semite like Meade and fanatical anti-semites like the people attacking Jews in France. Both are convinced that “Jew” is a category which transcends mere nationality, for example.

  • Scotts_Cove

    @ Comment #23

    When faced with 10 hammer wielding and Iron Bar wielding thugs,

    Seconds count …

    … & the Gendarmerie are only minutes (if not hours) away !

  • One way to bring Western European attacks on Jews down to US levels is to import US rules on concealed carry of firearms to Europe.

    Mendoza, a Spanish-Jew taught boxing in London. Among his clients were young lords-in-training. The lordlings would study boxing, and then go out and pick out a Jew on which to demonstrate their skills. Eventually the Jews began taking boxing lessons, and the young lordlings began to find that such activity wasn’t so much fun.

    An Armed Society is a Polite Society.

  • richard40

    While you are all quite right that Muslims are behind most of the anti semitic violence, the regular French are not blameless either. For one thing, if any Muslims perpetrated anti semitic violence in the USA, we would jump on them with both feet, and the perpetrators would rot in jail, while the French authorities seem to be looking the other way. And the French have a long tradition of anti semitism, remember the Dreyfus incident.

  • Snorri Godhi

    Jim S: if you are reading this, could I ask you in which language the sentence “Only Jews inside” was written?
    NB: I ask because I think we ought to be told. I would prefer to hear that it was written in English, for personal reasons I’d hate to hear that it was written in Dutch, but I just want the truth.

  • Scotts_Cove

    @ #26 CCW Laws would help. Might lower violence, might not, but it won’t happen in the future without risk. Firearms, the great Force Multiplier. 3-10 odds might have been evened up.

    Legally sanctioned or not; But in any event, in the next 10 or so years, someone is going to make a lot of money selling firearms, ammuniton, and reloading training, to the civilian populations of France, Germany and Italy, maybe London, Manchester and Birmingham too.

    Who knows, might be the Finns and the Suisse.

  • Snorri Godhi

    Kris: you have made your point very clearly and raised an important issue.
    All the same, I have a few quibbles:

    “2. Anti-Semitic attitudes are significantly more common among Western Europeans (not including Muslims) than in North America.”

    That depends on your criterion of “significance”. I suspect, though I have no statistical proof, that there is more blatant antisemitism on Ivy League campuses than in the whole of _continental_ Europe. But again, that depends on the criterion of “blatancy”.

    “3. Anti-Semitic acts are much less common in North America (including among Muslims) than in Western Europe.”

    Not a fair comparison: there are far fewer Muslims in North America.

    “Question: is 3 a result of 2? That is, are Muslims more likely to commit anti-Semitic acts in Europe because they feel this has societal sanction?”

    In spite of my quibbles, this is a pertinent question, and I have no answer.

  • Kris

    [email protected]: It is interesting that you brought up The Song of Roland in the context of this post:

    Li emperere ad Sarraguce prise.
    A mil Franceis funt ben cercer la vile,
    Les sinagoges e les mahumeries;
    A mailz de fer e a cuignees qu’ils tindrent,
    Fruissent les ymagenes e trestutes les ydeles:
    N’i remeindrat ne sorz ne falserie.
    Li reis creit en Deu, faire voelt sun servise;
    E si evesque les eves beneïssent,
    Meinent paien ent[r]esqu’al baptisterie:
    S’or i ad cel qui Carles cuntredie voillet,
    Il le fait pendre o ardeir ou ocire.

    Summary: After Charlemagne has finally defeated the Saracens (Muslims) in Spain, he enters their capital city of Saragossa and “cleanses” it. This is accomplished by destroying all “idolatrous” artifacts and then killing anyone who won’t convert to Christianity. His soldiers start this holy work by seeking out mosques (mahumeries), but even before that, as per the poem: synagogues.

    No, this isn’t of particularly great relevance. I just find it amusing.

    [email protected]: I don’t think we’re disagreeing.

    [email protected]: I’m confused. If our host refers to specific Muslims as French citizens, that is “asinine sleight-of-hand”, but if he mentions that they targeted Jews, that makes him “a fanatical philo-semite”?

    “There is no disease called ‘Jew-hatred’.”

    Of course not. It’s perfectly logical to attack innocent strangers.

  • Kris

    [email protected]:

    “3. Anti-Semitic acts are much less common in North America (including among Muslims) than in Western Europe.”
    Not a fair comparison: there are far fewer Muslims in North America.

    I meant per capita, and by Muslims themselves, but you bring up a valid complication: there might well be a “critical mass” effect.

    Sociology is tuff! 🙂

  • Snorri Godhi: it was written in English. That’s not too unusual as the Flemish Belgians refuse to speak French and the French Belgians don’t even bother learning Flemish. English often functions as the neutral language everyone is willing to speak without getting offended. On the other hand, I don’t see why this principle would work its way down to graffiti.

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