Send In The Turks?
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  • Jason

    I’m amused by the line: “an international convention to organize a constitution for a new Syria.”

    I recall a time when constitutions were an expression of self-determination decided upon by a particular people and their democratically elected representatives.

    Now, apparently, they are to be decided upon by our new aristocracy of international bureaucrats.

  • Eurydice

    OK, and who’ll be in charge of getting Turkey out of Syria? Seriously, if the Turks are so tempted by the vision of a return to Ottoman Glory, then why wouldn’t they just stay there? On the other hand, if Syria is such a quagmire that it would take decades for an expeditionary force to extricate itself, then how will the Turks just decide to pull out whenever they feel like it?

    And while we’re talking about reality, who’s going to pay for this?

  • Kenny

    Turkish humanitarian mission — that an oxymoronic mouthful if there ever was one.

    Only Christian societies do such things.

  • Mrs. Davis

    I recall a time when constitutions were an expression of self-determination decided upon by a particular people and their democratically elected representatives.

    You remember Japan before MacArthur? Boy you are old.

  • Kris

    Garfinkle’s proposal might be the most realistic one that offers some hope of a positive result.

    That is saying very, very little indeed.

  • We need to just leave well-enough alone.

    There is NO WAY we can solve the festering sore that is the illiterate Middle East, and there is not a thing – not one – in the entire muslim world worth the life of ONE American. Or any OTHER post-Enlightenment person.

    If the Syrians have gotten themselves into a problem by accepting for too long a government now killing them – not my son’s fault or problem. And “fixing” Syria would just move the problem down the road. Ask the Libyans or Egyptians. Or Iraqis. Or Afghans. Or Yemenis… .

    The PROBLEM in the Middle East is not this or that government. It is ISLAM ITSELF. It cannot COMPETE with the modern world, it cannot help but leave-behind its adherents FROM the modern world, it cannot ACCEPT the modern world. That is THEIR problem, not America’s.

    We – the entire world – need to put a fence, literally or figuratively, around islam and just LEAVE THEM ALONE AND PREVENT THEIR EMIGRATION TO POISON OTHER COUNTRIES.

    If at some future time islam has an Enlightenment and changes to a reason-based culture, we can let them back in. But until then, they are a primitive, pre-modern, pre-Enlightenment world. And the modern world CANNOT accept them in it any more than we can accept putting a modern city next to tribal Amazonians and let them continue dying in childbirth. They need to be LEFT ALONE until they enter the modern world. This is as true for islam as it is for Amazonian basin aborigines.

    Look – until the muslims understand that their mythology is what is holding them back from human rights, modernity, literacy, etc., (“What Went Wrong” B. Lewis) they just need to stew in their own juices. We have put forces in the field for 20 years to help muslims – and all we have got out of it is lots of dead Americans and more debt.

    Syria is the problem of SYRIANS, PERIOD.

  • Mark in Texas

    Why does anybody care if the Turks ever leave Syria? Given the example of nort Cyprus I would not expect an early departure. Maybe the US can propose some sort of trust status for Syria in the UN like the League of Nations did with the German colonies after WW 1.

    The only real question is if the Turks will leave Lebanon alone. As long as the Turks don’t make trouble along their new borders, I say we should welcome their tanks into Syria.

  • Kenny

    Alex @ “there is not a thing – not one – in the entire muslim world worth the life of ONE American.”

    Roger that.

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