To my dear German friends, Hans and Gretel:
I have often wondered why Europe doesn’t accept responsibility for the plight of the Palestinians? After all, it was European anti-Semitism that drove the Jews out of Europe and started all the trouble in the first place. But then of course nobody likes to acknowledge their own sins, whole countries especially. Which gives me an idea. Why doesn’t Germany take the lead in persuading her European neighbors to face up to this truth? After all, alone among the nations of Europe Germany has already accepted responsibility for her anti-Semitic past. That means you have moral standing. Wouldn’t it be nice to be on the moral high horse for a change? Aren’t you tired of being made the scape goat for other peoples’ sins — as if the Holocaust were the whole story of anti-Semitism in Europe, or did not require the active cooperation of all your European neighbors?
Anyway I’m not saying this would solve whole the Palestinian problem or bring peace to the Middle East. Even so it would be interesting to know what in the way of material compensation it would take to induce the majority of ordinary Palestinians to support the terms of the Oslo peace process? I guess that’s something you would have to work out with them.
Until then I remain your confederate twin brother in moral turpitude, Luke
1) I would like to know why it was acceptable for Stephen Walt to support the the Iraq War in 1991, but a matter of treason if any Jew supported the Iraq War ten years later?
2) I would also like to know why Stephen Walt call Thomas Friedman a part of the Israel Lobby, when Friedman has been vigorously denouncing Israeli Settlement activity for more than two decades, and also coined the so-called “you break it, you own it” rule attributed to Iraq, and wrongly ascribed to Colin Powell.
3) I would further like to know how it is that Walt says that Cheney and Bush “played a critical role” in launching the Iraq War, rather than assigning them primary responsibility for initiating it, as Vice President and President.
4) How do Walt and Mearsheimer posit a state of “dual loyalty” for Jews, when Jews overwhelmingly opposed George W. Bush in both elections. Would Al Gore have launched a war against Iraq?
5) Jewish members of Congress were overwhelmingly opposed to the first Iraq War, and and a greater percentage of them were opposed to the second Iraq War than their non-Jewish colleagues, though the margin was narrower. Why are they part of the “Israel Lobby”?
6) Jews voted in higher percentages for Barack Obama than any other ethnic group excepting African-Americans. McCain was considered the candidate of neocons and the “Israel Lobby”. Yet why does Walt still refer to the Israel Lobby as a Jewish phenomenon?
7) George W. Bush was known for years to harbor an animus against Sadam Hussein, on account of the latter’s assassination attempt against his father. Why don’t Walt and Mearsheimer make more of this?
8) We spend vastly more money on the Fifth Fleet in the Persian Gulf, to protect Saudi Oil Fields, than we do supporting Israel, and yet the Israel Lobby is treated by Walt and Mearsheimer as the driving force in setting policy in the region.
9) Most high profile Neo-conservatives have come out publicly opposing an attack on Iran. Yet Walt portrays them as driving the country toward war with that country. Is he entitled to make up facts to attribute to Jews?
Agree wholeheartedly with pretty much all of this, and even thank you for it — though the parts about Arafat are little sickening, frankly.
And I am very happy you mentioned Dan Kurtzer’s article in the March/April issue of THE AMERICAN INTEREST. Readers might be interested to know that Ambassador Kurtzer is not only Jewish, but is a religious and well-educated Jew. When he was US ambassador to Egypt, before his posting to Israel, the residence was fitted out with a kosher kitchen. To call Kurtzer an anti-Semite or a self-hating Jew for criticizing Israel is absurd, as absurd as looking back into history to criticize Shimshon Rafael Hirsch, the founder of modern Orthodoxy in the 19th century, for having essentially anti-Zionist views.
Of course there is anti-Semitism, and outside the US it is growing, unfortunately. In Europe, in particular, the form that Jewcentricity takes there is largely negative due to some very deep history. In the US, however, the form it takes is largely philo-Semitic. I think many people, many Jews especially, exaggerate how much anti-Semitism there is in the US. The ADL, for example, regularly exaggerates it for fund-raising purposes, in my view, and its leader has made the argument that sharply rising and already high levels of intermarriage and assimilation is caused by anti-Semitism. Jews are not affiliating because they are scared to do so, in other words.
This is nonsense. The intermarriage and assimilation rates are what they are not because of what non-Jews have done, but because of what Jews have done; namely, not educated their children properly and not respected and practiced their own traditions. This is so obvious that it hardly needs to be pointed out, one would think; but so deluded are so many self-avowedly secular Jewish Americans that they really believe the crazy explanations they invent, so as not to call attention to the real source of their troubles. So it goes and, historically, not for the first time.
But Walter, as happy as I am that you mentioned TAI, I am disappointed that, again, you did not mention JEWCENTRICITY, which, as I hope and assume you know, goes into all the subjects in your post at some length (except about Arafat kissing you on the head). What do I have to do to get you to acknowledge my brilliant book?
OMG – what utter pap. “precious blogging time”?!? You wasted 2,761 words building up to your lame one-sentence answer.
You addressed exactly zero of the points Larison and Scoblete brought up. Avoid your English training bias and skip the definition of “realist” – the question is whether there is broad American support for Israel’s policies towards the occupied territories.
It is extremely unlikely in the current situation that the Palestinians will make any real movement toward a peace settlement, absent either total societal collapse or a solution imposed and maintained by outsiders through military force. The reason is simple: too many Palestinians have benefited for too many years from the current stalemate.
Generations of them have grown up in a lawless kleptocracy. Young people have no opportunity to learn different ways and no incentive to search for them.
If young men spend enough years living with a gun or bomb in one hand, they lose the ability to function as members of a true civil society. And there’s no chance whatever that they will spontaneously create such a society.
Screw this foreign policy and politico-sociological blogging! I want the Walter Russell Mead memoirs, to be published by Harlequin. 🙂
I am looking forward to more posts on this topic. I am especially want you to discuss how specifically US interests will be damaged if Israel and the US stop being friends. What exactly from a practical standpoint becomes more difficult if, say, Russia or China has more influence in the Middle East than it does today? In what way will we be less safe? The more specifics, the better. Thanks.
Kisses aside, there will never be peace in the Middle East between Arab and Jew. Fact.
It’s easy to see what Mead is driving at; Americans overwhelmingly support Israel because, at least to some extent, anti-Semitism has been conquered in the United States. His corollary is equally clear; Europeans are far less sympathetic to the Israelis because anti-Semitism is still such a prominent feature of European society.
It’s really quite a provocative assertion.
What I think Mead misses is while both the European left and the European right have been anti-Semitic; most of the agitation against Israel has come from Europe’s anti-Semitic left. But the left in Europe is now collapsing; in fact the European left is in extremis. As a result, sympathy for Israel is on the rise in Europe and sympathy for the Palestinians is plummeting,
Has Mead listened to what the Czechs, Poles, Hungarians, Lithuanians, Estonians or Latvians have to say about the conflict in the Middle East? Has he read any of Prime Minister Berlusconi’s remarks about Palestinians or the remarks of the new power player in the Netherlands, Geert Wilders? Has he read about the vote that the Swiss just took to forbid their Muslim neighbors from building minarets? Has he read any of the speeches that the likely new British Prime Minster, David Cameron has made about Israel or the Palestinians? Has he compared the point of view of President Sarkozy about the Israel-Palestine conflict with the point of view of Sarkozy’s predecessor, President Chirac? Has he compared Chancellor Merkel’s relationship with Israel with that of her predecessor? Has Mead noticed what’s happened in Denmark?
As Europe lurches to the right and as relations between Europeans and their new Muslim neighbors continue to deteriorate (which they almost certainly will), the effect that this has on how the Europeans view the Israel-Palestine dispute will be palpable.
While Europeans will never be as supportive of Israel as Americans are, and while Europe will never exorcise its historical hostility to both Muslims and Jews as Americans have, it is highly likely that Europe will be moving decisively in the direction of the United States on the Israel-Palestine conflict.
In fact, it already has.
Among the canards about the South that need shooting down is hatred of Jews and, by extension for some, Israel. While not a native southerner, I’ve heard about the percale-wearers’ preferences, but I also have eyes that can see the name on the the main administration building for the Palmetto State’s legislature.
Some time ago the topic of Israel came up in a conversation with several friends who all belong to a hunt club. (They are proud members of diverse club and will tell you that in the membership is not only a Jew, but a bona fide Frenchy!) Their take was distinctly, dare I say, Jacksonian: the Jews needed a country, started one fair and square, seem to run it fairly and freely, even give Arab citizens the vote during regular elections, and should be given a fair amount of leeway in protecting their country from enemies domestic and foreign.
One member added that his wife, a prominent liberal Democrat attorney, did express some concern one time about the Israeli’s use of aircraft firing missiles to kill known Palestinian terrorists. He addressed her concerns by reminding her how he, a responsible hunter know for his fine sense of sportsmanship, eliminated what had been a recurring vermin problem at their lakefront home one July 4th using the nearby fireworks to cover the sound of his own enhanced underground fireworks. Sometimes one has little choice when one can’t get a clean shot with a rifle, he explained. He allowed as how she doesn’t bring that issue up anymore.
So while I’m sure your thoughts on this topic will generate some controversy, it’s not a terribly difficult issue for most Americans, no matter what those who know what’s best for us may think.
WigWag: In other words, when there were many Jews in Europe, Europeans were antisemitic. Now that most European Jews have somehow disappeared and that Muslims are invading the joint, Europeans are turning against Muslims. Which means that if the US wishes to remain preeminent, we should close all of our military bases there and try to get them replaced by the Chinese PLA.
Yes, this is tongue in cheek.
Interesting article in many ways. I don’t agree with the “Both sides are responsible for the lack of peace between them” argument because the way I see it, while Israel would like a Palestinian state to exist without it threatening the Jewish State, the Palestinians do not want the Jewish State to continue to exist.
Interesting “symmetry,” that.
So there is nothing to negotiate. The Palestinians continue to be “oppressed” and “suffer” and thus receive huge amounts of financial aid and sympathy, and they get to continue to deligitimze the Jewish State, all the while maintaining the hope–even as they work—for Israel’s expected demise.
And as the “process” continues to be intractible, Israel is further demonized, demoralized and diminished. Mustn’t blame the Palestinians (who can’t even agree among themselves how to conduct the war against the Jewish State).
As for “realism,” well if someone really wants to know what will happen if Israel leaves the West Bank, one has to look no further than what happened when Israel left Southern Lebanon and when Israel left Gaza.
With regard to religious and well-educated Jews, there is nothing carved in stone that says that they have to be intelligent, nor realistic.
Realists they can all be.
A kiss from the mother-terrorist of them all is nothing most folks would be proud of!
The reason why Americans support Israel is because of jewish influence on the media and popular culture. jewish organization have also convinced Americans of mass immigration and multi-cultural suicide while Israel wants none of that for itself.
But its only temporary before the mask falls and a Nationalist movement rises in America(Tea Party)
Just the anti-Semitic drivel being discussed! Israel has had significant immigration from the former Soviet Union,Russia and Ethiopia. Many service workers in Israel come from the Philippines and Romania. Multiculturalism is typically a leftist ideal. Just how and which Jewish organizations you know of have influenced mass immigration to the US? Most immigration over the last 20 plus years has been from Latin America, Somalia. The Tea Party has a mostly domestic agenda, albeit it sounds you’d like them to be seen as and become a quasi supremacist movement, which would be a great disservice. Such igonrance!
The headline grabbed me. The article left me yawning and the comments beyond me. I have had a passion to discover why the Jews are not only so hated, but self-hatred abounds, particularly here in America. Could it be that for about 1700 years, the “west” has done its best to wipe out the Jewish people because of the death of Jesus? Granted, this is part of a religious war that has gone on since then, but, I find it fascinating that the European states prohibited and pogromed the Jews for centuries, forced them into ghettos, prevented their earning any kind of decent living, and then had the chutzpah to actually blame the Jews for their own behavior and its consequences. Then, the Jews being offered a “way out” by the Enlightenment authors and philosophers to leave the Jewish religion and Jewishness itself and become followers of the religion of “Reason”. Besides being murdered in torturous ways, many did and their self-hatred began when they realized that “reason” has nothing to offer any different. Their schizophrenia is based on the reality of today and while damaging to themselves, it is at least understandable.
finally some one spiking the truth.
אha new anti Semite is in disguise of a humanitarian support to Palestinians,but the truth is no body really cares about them just like they don’t care about the מoorth Koreans or the Sudanic people or Darfur China or any one els for that matter.
the are worse that Hitler because not only they are racist and antisemitic but they are Hippocrates as well.
Using Mead’s logic, it is misguided and Anti-White/Afrikaners to stand up to Apartheid South Africa. I am always amazed how Zionists’ arguments against equality, human rights for the Palestinians, and genuine democracy, and their defense of the Jewish exclusivist system in Israel are virtually identical to those the Afrikaner make in defense of South Africa’s Apartheid. The parallels are there for anyone to see. The difference is that Zionism has proved more deadly. The difference is that Apartheid has become a symbol which people around the world take for granted as being evil. No one gives the time of day to assertions that white security must take precedence over Black (et. al) political rights, that there is no democracy in most African countries, that S.A. is surrounded by hostile non-democratic states, that “Blacks kill more Blacks than Whites”, that “Black really live better in S.A. compared to Blacks elsewhere in Africa”, that Blacks are “really recent immigrants”, that the mostly European settlers are naturally superior to the indigenous inhabitants who do not know “democracy”, that the resistance of the indigenous oppressed people is nothing more than “terrorism”, and so on.
All these arguments are treated as bunk (many are patently racist). Instead, the world was virtually united in insisting that the situation in South Africa must improve and that full, equal political rights be guaranteed for all. Yet, all the above arguments are casually and regularly made by Israeli supporters in defense of Israel’s Jewish exclusivist nature and its over 40 years of land theft, pogroms, murder and repression in the occupied territories. So in the name of the Zionist “ideal” of a Jewish exclusivist state, the 20% of Israelis who are not Jewish are condemned to a life as second class citizens. Generations of Palestinians (1.8 million people now) are also condemned to a life of suffering and brutal repression under
Israeli military occupation. There is only one word to describe this sort of attitude: racism.
Mead writes: “I’ve run across a surprisingly large number of people who believe that Israel’s right to exist is conditional”
Did Apatheid South Africa have an unconditional “right to exisit”? Did the former USSR have an absolute right to exist? Why should a settler-colonialist exclusivist (i.e., racist) state like Zionist Israel today have an unconditional right to exisit? Is it because the victims in this case happen to be pesky Arabs/Muslims? Inquiring minds want to know.
I don’t disagree with anything you have said here, but I think there is an additional reason that the Palestinian cause has been so popular.
Spectacular terrorism. Blowing up airplanes and killing Olympians gets the whole world talking about you and inspires the anti-imperialists.
Writing about the “South”, SC Mike, notes above: “Some time ago the topic of Israel came up in a conversation with several friends who all belong to a hunt club. (They are proud members of diverse club and will tell you that in the membership is not only a Jew, but a bona fide Frenchy!) Their take was distinctly, dare I say, Jacksonian: the Jews needed a country, started one fair and square, seem to run it fairly and freely, even give Arab citizens the vote during regular elections, and should be given a fair amount of leeway in protecting their country from enemies domestic and foreign.”
Let’s see: The white-settler Afrikaners needed a country (apartheid SA), started one “fair and square”, seem to run it fairly and freely, even gave some non-whites (“Coloured”) people the vote during regular elections, and should have been given a fair amount of leeway in protecting their coutry (er: privilaged status compared to indegenous natives) from enemies domestic and foreign. Heck, let’s bring back Jim Crow… What’s wrong with that?
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Since when is tu quoque an argument?
More sophistry from Israel’s […] apologists.
I came across this excellent article while reading Red Lines for the Left on CiFWatch, whose mandate is to track obsessive anti-Israeli and anti-Semite commentary in the UK Guardian.
Your words mirror exactly the criticism CiFWacth and commenters like me have of the endless articles pouring out anti-Israeli bias in a way that no other country or people are addressed in what was once a fine newspaper, with commentary by readers adorned with a liberal helping of anti-Semitism and, if not quite Holocaust denial, attempts to downplay the extent and significance of both.
This article needs to be more broadly disseminated through the mainstream press.
By the way – Aaron David Miller commented on his attempts to avoid a kiss from Arafat when the latter arrived at the abortive Camp David talks. But I think he was no more successful than you – Arafat was, apparently, a determined kisser.
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“I looked the man in the eye,” “I was able to get a sense of his soul.” GW Bush on V. Putin 2001.
Evil tyrants are experts at pretending to be good.
It hurts me to have come to the conclusion that there will never be peace in the Middle East.
There is absolutely no chance that the enemies of Israel, both soft and hard, will ever give up the philosophy that |srael has no right to exist. And as a result of that axiom, Israel will never give up its right to exist.
All kidding aside, Israel is strong enough to destroy the whole worlds as are another 5 or 6 nations. Israel will not be going down aithout the entire Muslim world so whats the sense in the long run. Jokingly, a billiom muslims looking for 72 virgins each might finally get the point across because obviously the fact that Israel is nuclear and determined to survive hasn’t
I’m not going to be around to see how this thing moves along, but in this era of technological growth at exponential speed, its going to be interesting to watch my neighbors in the west bank beating their donkeys as they continue to truck their manure uphill, while Israel creates the next wave of non-oil cars…i’ll miss it
Best of luck to those dreamers who still believe in a Palestinian Israeli peace process while the great grandchildren of the Naqba still sit in squalor…..it just aint gonna happen !!
humanity is the key, to both our destruction; and salvation!! Just because someone believes differently, does not make either party any less wrong or right! The truth is, that every side is to blame in some way or another..EVERYONE!! On the brink of darkness there shall be a new light.. But that light will never arrive for anyone, unless the entire world can give peace a chance, to give eachother a chance! we must put asside our pride and our prejudice towards one another, not just to people in our “circle” but to all!!! only then can we ever bring about a true era of peace, only then will we truly have made progress or begin to evolve.. If anyone has anythought