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Egypt in Turmoil
Egypt on the Verge of Crisis?
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  • rheddles

    The next American president will need to make Sisi’s survival, and Egypt’s revival, major priorities.

    So, we’re back in the nation building business?

    Why do we need to keep this dysfunctional culture on life support? Accommodating modernity has not been easy for any culture. It’s not clear how we can assist in Egypt or anywhere else in the Middle East in making the transition. Perhaps it’s time to let them work it out themselves. And if the Russians, who haven’t done such a great job of dealing with modernity, want to help let’s let them squander their treasure and blood dealing with the Chimera.

    • JR

      Respectfully disagree. This is not about nation building. This is about not letting a very valuable ally go over the rails.

      • rheddles

        A valuable ally? An expensive client of dubious value.

        • JR

          I think Philippines is a fairly important logistical hub for US Navy in the Pacific. It is important to distinguish between the country and its leader in this situation.

          • rheddles

            Are you talking about Egypt or the Philippines? Two very different cases.

          • JR

            sorry dude. My bad.
            As for Egypt, I definitely am not kidding myself. We are renting their support. But as bad as things are right now in the Middle East, I think they would become materially worse if Egypt starts disintegrating or becomes yet another Islamist pit.

          • rheddles

            So how long do we have to pay them how much to keep them from having to deal with modernity? It’s been 30 years, and I can see no improvement. Frankly, I think disintegration is preferable as they are already a low grade Islamist pit. What’s the worst that can happen? They close the Suez canal? This time let’s back the Brits and French if they want to do something about it. Otherwise, I’ve got better places to spend the money. Or maybe even not borrow it from China and mortgage my grandchildren.

          • Jim__L

            This is how an empire crumbles, guys. Trouble with the leadership at home, trouble in the far reaches.

            The ability to identify what our resources really are, carefully define our goals, and prudently anticipate obstacles, is not present in either Hillary or Obama. With Trump, at least we’ll be able to follow Cervantes’ advice — “Patience, and shuffle the cards.”

            Another gem from Cervantes — “Money lost, nothing lost. Courage lost, much lost. Honor lost, more lost. Soul lost, all lost.”

            A vote for Hillary is a vote to lose all four.

          • JR

            I’m voting for Jill Stein to try and split future Democratic voters. Living in Jersey I get to engage in all sorts of sophomoric behavior in the voting booth.

        • Jamela Radwan

          Do you realize that when US military ships transit the canal they are given priority? Do you also realize the US is given overfly permission in the airspace? Expensive how?

          • rheddles

            Expensive how? Over a billion dollars a year cash.

  • JR

    “The Egyptian people, with thousands of years of civilization behind them, are long suffering and patient, but even Egyptian patience has its limits.”
    Um, no. The Egyptians that built the pyramids are long gone. Current inhabitants of the land of Egypt are the Sunni Muslim invaders that have no connections whatsoever to ancient Egyptians. Let’s not re-write history, shall we?

    • solstice

      Actually, most Egyptian Muslims, like most Middle Eastern Muslims, are descendants of indigenous Christians who converted to Islam to escape the persecution of their new Muslim overlords. You are the one re-writing history.

      • JR

        Egypt is repeatedly described as Sunni Muslim country. Where did all those Sunni Muslims come from? They are not the descendants of original Egyptians.

        • solstice

          Yes, they are. The majority of them are descendants of indigenous Egyptians who converted to Islam under duress.

          • JR

            How are these Sunni Arabs different from all the other Sunni Arabs? Are you saying Muslim invasions of Middle Asia, North Africa and Middle East did not happen? State your thesis clearly.

          • solstice

            After the Arabs conquered the Levant, Mesopotamia, and North Africa, they imposed their language, culture, and religion on the conquered populations with such success that the descendants of the conquered peoples came to identify as Arab Muslims (even though their ancestors did not identify as such).

          • JR

            If somebody completely identifies and is genetically fairly indistinguishable from Sunni Arabs, in my eyes that makes them Sunni Arabs. Enough time has passed that saying a Sunni Arab from Saudi Arabia is materially different from Sunni Arab from Egypt is splitting hairs.

          • mnemos

            Along the North African coast people often locally consider themselves Berbers to distinguish them from the conquering Arabs. If they all look the same to outsiders that doesn’t really mean much.

  • Jamela Radwan

    First, there was no “seizing of power”, June 30 was a response to the will of the people and lack of foresight or listening skills by the Muslim Brotherhood.
    Second, Egypt is undergoing changes that should have happened years ago. This is a clean up operation from decades of neglect.
    While I realize bad news sells, here’s what is going right in Egypt https://storify.com/Diverse_Diva_/what-s-going-right-in-egypt-facts-the-main-stream-

    • FriendlyGoat

      Even though we wish General al-Sisi (now President al-Sisi) was not forced into “tough decisions” as you suggested in other Disqus comments elsewhere, some of us here in America are proud of Eqypt for not becoming, as you put it, like Syria, Iraq and Libya—-and we wish you all the best.

  • http://www.paulfrantizek.com/ Paul Frantizek

    WRM is indulging in a fantasy if he thinks either Obama or Hillary will bail-out Al-Sisi while Muslim Brotherhood is waiting in the wings.

  • Jacksonian_Libertarian

    Islamic Culture and Modern Civilization are incompatible. Modern Civilization requires the “Feedback of Competition”, Islamic Culture requires submission to the Caliph. These two things can’t coexist. One requires that the “Rule of Law” applies to everyone, and the other requires that those with Political Position are beyond the law.

  • Wayne Lusvardi

    What is happening in Egypt according to primary sources I am in touch with there is that the Muslim Brotherhood has for some time now been hoarding and withdrawing goods and dollars from the economy to foment a crisis. Case in point: sugar. Large caches of wholesale sugar have been found that were bought and stored to keep it from the market, raising prices from 6 to 12 pounds. General prosecutor Nabil Sadek ordered arrests of “sugar cell” members recently; but Sadek risks assassination by the murderous Brotherhood for doing so.

    The Brotherhood also assassinated army General Adel Ragaei at his home in Cairo on Oct. 22. Ragei commanded an armored division and the corps of engineers tasked with maintaining the border between Egypt and Sinai.

    The problem is that US policy in Egypt under the Obama-Clinton administration has been revolutionary regime change through support of the murderous Muslim Brotherhood. The Brotherhood are trying to destabilize the country in an attempt to again regain control through a terrorist coup. The Brotherhood represents only about 900,000 out of a population of 90 million.

    Unfortunately any US intervention will likely back those who are fomenting economic terrorism and carrying out assassinations instead of the military which the above article accurately points out is the only viable alternative right now.

    Regrettably, Hillary Clinton is reviled in Egypt as a supporter of the Brotherhood who backed them rigging elections so that Mohammed Morsi was elected as president in 2012. The US has no moral capital right now with Egyptians given its ruinous policy of backing revolutionary regime change of putting terrorists in charge of Egypt in 2012 and the symbolism of Clinton’s ties with the Brotherhood through her confidant and secretary Huma Abedin whose family are Brotherhood leaders in Saudi. Recent Wikileaks revelations don’t help either where in an email Clinton revealed that ISIS and Bill Clinton are both funded by the nation of Qatar.

    America needs a reset in Egypt. But Hillary’s attempts at resets with Russia and Egypt have failed miserably. And arguably, she is the likely next president.

  • Wayne Lusvardi

    Any attempt at a policy of social justice in Egypt as solution to their contrived economic crisis is bound to fail. The problem is not redistribution but distribution of hoarded goods and dollars to destabilize the country.

    If there are two identical Egyptians, let’s call them Ossama and Ahmed, and they are both college educated, have equal incomes, a car, and a family with two children and live in Cairo. But Ossama is a Muslim Brotherhood member who smokes hashish and cigarettes, has four other women concubines with children, hides his money from outside illegal activities under his mattress and gambles; and Ahmed is a Coptic Christian who has none of the above vices or underground criminal activities. There is no social policy that can equalize their outcomes except by confiscation and redistribution to the so-called “poor” in the name of social justice.

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