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After Blue
Transcending the Single Family Home
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  • Andrew Allison

    If the increase in multi-generational living is, as it was in the early 20th Century and before, from necessity rather than desire, wouldn’t it make more sense to address the cause(s) rather than the symptoms?

    • DiaKrieg

      Only if you view multigenerational living as a disease.

      • Jim__L

        Moving out and becoming independent is a good thing. The mobility of labor that this provided may have been the ONE measurable difference between 15th/16th-century France and 15th/16th-century Fukien… so that’s arguably what allowed the West a huge advantage over the rest of the world.

        • Jacksonian_Libertarian

          Mobility is over-rated in an internet connected world.

          • Jim__L

            Not a bad point. I just wish there were more follow-through on it for companies like Apple and Google.

          • f1b0nacc1

            Try selling that point of view in the Rust Belt, or in fact anywhere you see large industrial facilities closing down

      • Frank Natoli

        It’s “easy” to restrict the number of kitchens in a single dwelling.
        Now tell me how YOU would legislate restricting a second kitchen to the use of parents or children of the owners?
        “Disease” my posterior.

    • Jacksonian_Libertarian

      This is what I was thinking, it’s economic stress that is driving this move. Not only is the destructive deflation of “Great Depression 2.0” biting much harder now that the Fed stopped the “Quantitative Easing” that printed $4.5 Trillion over 5 years. But, the legacy damage being caused by Trade Agreements that sacrificed working class interests in favor of opening foreign markets, the massive Legal and Illegal immigration that is degrading and diluting the value of the “National Inheritance”, and the burden of Big Government that damages every aspect of American Life.

  • lukelea

    Killing two birds with one stone: the young cannot afford a mortgage, the old cannot afford a nursing home.

    • DiaKrieg

      The worry is that the young will take advantage of the old, who are relatively rich and privileged under blue model, but extremely vulnerable physically and cognitively. This is a real problem that will only get worse as pop ages. Elder abuse is rampant already in America.

      • Fat_Man

        Is that unlike the advantage that the old are taking of the young, by making them work and pay ever higher tax rates to keep the benefits flowing and medicare going?

        • Anthony

          Touche.

        • Boritz

          Making them? The political affiliations of the young are squarely behind the policy makers that use them this way. They are volunteers.

          • Fat_Man

            That is how they like them young and stupid.

          • Jim__L

            If you’re 20 and you’re not a liberal, you have no heart.

          • f1b0nacc1

            If you’re 40 and you are still a liberal, you have no brain
            (Churchill, I believe….)

          • FriendlyGoat

            Many evangelical churches believe that no one should be a liberal at any age. The young people are subjected to a hard sell to accept Jesus AND become a conservative church member in the process. Much, much ministry is directed to young people because hearts are more malleable and open in youth. There are thousands of youth ministers in the evangelical churches of United States and virtually none of them are telling people 20 and under to be liberals—-because otherwise they “have no heart”—- just so it would validate this crazy saying that has been going around.

            The heart which causes a young person to be concerned with peace and social justice is the same heart open to being touched by a good alter call that explains the love and grace of Jesus we are to accept.
            We are not to abandon our hearts at any age—–and doing so by 40 is not a sign of brain. It is a sign of brainwashing. Net, net, the “saying” is goofy and passed around among people who would rather laugh than think.

          • Jim__L

            If the Left dropped its hostility to social conservatism, that would change.

          • FriendlyGoat

            The Left does not need to do anything to cause conservatism to have both heart and sense. It either does or it doesn’t. Conservative individuals (unless crowd-brainwashed) are free agents and can decide whatever they want, independent of what anyone on the Left thinks or does. The fact that they mostly follow each other as a herd has nothing at all to do with Left-minded people.

          • Jim__L

            Do you want social conservatives to stop voting for people you consider “tax cutters” and nothing else? The Left can stop serving up hate for social conservatives, religion, and traditional values.

          • FriendlyGoat

            We of the Left don’t hate conservatives, we’re just tired of the charade that never ends. “Small government” is meaningless nonsense. “Selling health insurance across state lines” is nothing but a colossal con job to knock millions out of insurance and drastically reduce policy standards for all of the lower classes who somehow remain insured—-including those in groups. “Tax cuts create jobs” is an outright fib. There comes a point when we finally expect Christians to exercise some real discernment about the junk they support in politics. When they never do, there is a great sense of exasperation. It’s not hate. It’s frustration with the wall of nonsense erected by many, many church people.

            When it comes down to the famous social issues, abortion decisions by specific women are not “everybody’s” business. Neither are same-sex marriages. And we already have enough guns. These, the “big three” are not sufficient reasons to the Left for the Right to be attacking all the progress made for real people in the 2oth century and rushing as fast as you can back to The Gilded Age and deregulation of nearly everything. But that’s the Right’s platform and the Left sees it as grossly errant.

          • Anthony

            Impressive (your heart, mind, and humanity).

          • FriendlyGoat

            Thanks. I have heard the 20/40 saying not only here but at other places in adult life—where a bunch of right-wingers laugh at it. I never like the idea of older people laughing at “heart”. Grandmas and Grandpas are supposed to be the wise ones, seasoned with age, who appreciate heart more and more as we get older, aren’t we?

          • Anthony

            Yes, that’s lesson I got from my grand and great grand. And you’re welcome.

  • jimri

    Perhaps in WRM’s neighborhood, all will embrace the arrival of catering businesses, appliance repair shops, daycare centers, etc., next door to them. Outside of rural areas and limited locations in “transition” ( read “decline”), there will be a lot of justified resistance to bringing this change to residential areas with attendant decline in property values. Restrictive zoning is less imposed by the municipality and more arises from citizens wishing to protect the quality of their life and the value of their investment.

    • Clayton Holbrook

      In short NIMBY

      • jimri

        If that’s the environment you wish to live in, have at it. Zoning exists so that houses and garbage dumps, and churches and auto salvage yards, and parks and strip mines, don’t have to be side by side. If you like intensive commercial uses next door to your residence you are welcome to have everything that comes with that. Unless they have bought into that type of “neighborhood” in the first place, most folks wouldn’t agree with you.

        • Clayton Holbrook

          If you’re getting that we should put likely polluters right next to residential receptors from this TAI blog post, you’ve missed the point or your intentionally misinterpreting it.

    • Jim__L

      Number of simultaneous onsite employees, number of simultaneous onsite customers, noise restrictions — there are a number of considerations that would likely go into new zoning laws.

      This is doable.

  • jeburke

    Ain’t gonna happen. Suburban communities are becoming more protective of single family zoning and more opposed to such encroachments, not less. As for “mother-daughter” setups, it’s worth pointing out that in the first half of the 20th century, multi-generation families just lived together in the same house, not in accessory apartments, which were a later development.

  • Jim__L

    This is a good idea. Find some rich Silicon Valley types who want to provide legal support for the “Garage Startup” idea, and you’ll probably get some influential and well-funded backers.

  • FriendlyGoat

    1) Not all families get along with each other like the Walton’s (1970’s TV show about a depression-era family).
    2) Not all suburban dwellers want a blacksmith’s forge over the back fence.
    3) Not all suburban dwellers want cars from a neighbor’s business parked constantly in front of their houses and driveways.
    4) Not all suburban dwellers want the noise of a day-care center next door (or the chance of being sued over something happening to some kid who wanders onto your property without permission).
    5) Not all suburban dwellers want an unregulated hotel next door.

    I’d say we might want to start all the zoning and rule changes in the “nicest” neighborhoods and see how it goes—-THEN moving downward to the more “ordinary” neighborhoods for law changes. This notion that we have to throw away “The Blue Model” for people of modest means while making the housing of the rich more exclusive than ever is a bunch of crap you know.

    • M Snow

      Great idea. Let’s apply it to other parts of the liberal agenda. Remember when Ted Kennedy blocked a windmill project because it ruined the ocean views near the family compound? Or how about forced busing for prep school kids? Or no more gated communities; let them live with the same police protection as the rest of us. I know that gated communities are not specifically part of the liberal agenda, but that’s where they retreat from the chaos created when they won’t condemn liberal attacks on the police like Black Lives Matter.

      • FriendlyGoat

        I’m not against gated communities. I just think they are where we can start with all the zoning law changes TAI recommends here. You can still have a gate that is closed most of the time but lets in everyone going to the blacksmith shop, the daycare center and the house/hotels.

        • M Snow

          I wouldn’t live in one but I’m not opposed to gated communities either. I just have problem with people who insulate themselves from society’s difficulties and then preach to the rest of us.

          • FriendlyGoat

            Perhaps that’s why this article gave me a burr under the saddle. I have a feeling the purveyors of TAI are not directly living with the de-zoning they are suggesting.

          • Jim__L

            I’m in Silicon Valley, and I know of at least one person who’s worried if his garage tech startup is technically illegal. (Hewlett-Packard may actually have been illegal when it started). That’s insane, from an economic growth point of view.

            The worst suburban blight problem in any neighborhood where I lived was the lack of parking — I mean serious, park-five-blocks-from-where-you-live lack of parking. That happens when property values / rents shoot up so high that you have to pack five breadwinners into each three bedroom house, and their five associated reliable transportation — i.e., automobiles — onto the streets surrounding that house.

          • FriendlyGoat

            Tech start-up? Car repair start-up? What’s the difference? That’s the problem with what people do in garages. I would advise your concerned person to just keep a low profile and carry on. It is easier to get forgiveness than permission—-but that assumes he is tinkering in a way the neighbors would hardly notice.

          • Jim__L

            “Ignore the law” is not a better solution than “change the law”.

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