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  • D4x

    TAI should know by now that the only poll that counts is after the vote.

    • Andrew Allison

      The only poll that counts IS the vote [/grin]. There’s no reason why responses to exit polls should be any more honest than pre-election polls.

      • D4x

        Parsing polls and counts is fun. I did mean the only poll that counts is the actual vote count. But, then I meant the only poll that counts is the poll after the vote count that reveals how voters felt after the vote was counted. Guess we should be grateful that Turkey does not have an Electoral College vote count that may or may not reflect the actual vote count.

        We need a poll to tell us which news story as of April 14 will still be a news story on April 18.

        Advisory: this comment may or may not be the result of having just indulged in gossip at Town&Country online about Mar-a-Lago, that Finland is the safest country in the world, and that 25% of Americans, like POTUS Trump, also prefer their steak well-done with ketchup, despite the efforts of thirty years of propaganda on why steak should be seared & eaten rare.

        Beats thinking about Caliph Erdogan. Let him eat coal.
        [/grin sort of]

        • Andrew Allison

          OMG! Well-done with ketchup? And I thought that ketchup with french fries was an abomination. Ketchup anywhere near an order of Steak Frites is, or should be, a hanging offense. Happily, T&C gossip is as unreliable as political polls. Here’s some actual data: https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/hickey-datalab-steak.png?quality=90&strip=all&w=575&ssl=1. You’ll be relieved to learn that only 8% share the President’s proclivity for well-done, and I suspect that very few of these benighted souls use ketchup to give the result some taste. It appears that 69% of the population like the taste of beef. Which, pardon the digression, reminds me that since our taste buds shut down at 4 degrees C, it’s clear that most Americans don’t like the taste of beer.

          • D4x

            Polls! 538 polls skew to NeverTrumpers. T&C is owned by Hearst, whose magazines are mostly on the TeamTrump side of the culture wars.

            In Jason W’s “placebo presidency’ post, he noted POTUS Trump’s “inimitable aesthetic”. I am not sure what that meant. The gold leaf penthouse? Steak well-done with ketchup? Five children? Speaking at a 5th grade level so that most Americans think he is NOT talking down?

            My prediction for next week’s distraction is “Why has POTUS not been to Camp David?” Early answer? Quoted as too rustic. Real answer? Being re-decorated so it becomes a less rustic summer getaway. I assume there is a golf course nearby. This anticipates the WH Easter Egg Roll goes too well for the sniping to continue, that there is still a South Korea, and that Erdogan loses the referendum.

            TY for the segue to beer. I really miss Guiness. Allergies, not Polls! or Poles. or Moles.

          • f1b0nacc1

            I wouldn’t trust 538 (the folks who told us that Hillary was a lock), but your comment re: beer is pretty obviously correct. Of course one need only look at what beers sell in American to confirm that Americans don’t like the taste of beer…

          • Andrew Allison

            Well yes, the fact that the most popular beer in the US, by a wide margin, is Bud Lite simply confirms my point. But if it’s imported (from Europe!) there’s a slight hope — Stella isn’t bad.

        • f1b0nacc1

          Well done with ketchup? I am so deeply disappointed! My father ate it that way, but he was notorious among all those that new him as a man without a scintilla of taste.

          • D4x

            Perhaps it was a 1950’s thing, awaiting Julia Child’s Food Enlightenment. It was 1971 when I discovered medium-rare, no ketchup, was tastier. It is odd that DJT never switched. Surely he lunched at The Palm or Sparks in the 1980’s.

            How were your latkes?

          • f1b0nacc1

            Sadly my dad was born in 1918, and from what I have heard from his friends, he had those horrible eating habits from his earliest years.

            Regarding Trump…I don’t share his taste in many things (the obsession with gold, for instance…), but then again, I don’t have to. Grant would only eat meat cooked black and charred, and he was a terrific general!

          • D4x

            I had been thinking 1950’s because our parents, as adults, cooked and ate that way. Good point about Grant.

            Normally, I would also no-gold, but my real peeve, besides orange, is beige. This was an edit out from my earlier comment – a before and after of the Oval Office:

            The redecorated Oval Office is more traditional, and a lot less beige:
            http://www.housebeautiful.com/design-inspiration/celebrity-homes/news/a8381/donald-trump-oval-office-redesign/
            WH tradition is the Residence redecoration reveal comes in Year 3, with Architectural Digest. I am looking forward to the Trump Residence, without the modern art.
            News broke today that FLOTUS Melania is redecorating, and will move-in this summer. My prediction: The reveal will come this year, T&C, not AD.

            The WH Easter Egg Roll 2017 invite/poster is art. Media pre-emptively were certain this event will implode – keeping up the ‘chaos/inexperience’ attack. The cultureWar has gotten very ugly.

          • f1b0nacc1

            I look forward to seeing what the Trumps do with the White House…certainly it will be an improvement over what we have now!

          • D4x

            A writer opines on behalf of the NYT about ” “POTUS Trump’s “inimitable aesthetic” “, and his not having a pet: “Of all the stains besmirching the Trump presidency — the ethical lacunae, the spasmodic “policy” fits, the Golf Digest aesthetic — none looms so large as the absence of a White House pet. …

            By all appearances, Mr. Trump doesn’t like animals. “It’s hard not to notice his lack of commitment to companion animals and nature in general,” comments Alan M. Beck, a professor of animal ecology at Purdue University and director of the Center for the Human-Animal Bond. “His sons are trophy hunters.”

            What is that great line? Once you’ve learned to fake sincerity, the rest is easy. Once Donald Trump learns to pretend to love animals, he can move on to pretending to love the human race.”

            [ Alex Beam is a writer who lives outside Boston with his wife and a West Highland terrier named Micah.]

            https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/15/opinion/sunday/what-kind-of-pet-should-donald-trump-get.html?_r=0

            [This is never going to end…]

          • f1b0nacc1

            I am reminded of a professor of mine who pointed out that while Churchill was a drinker and heavy smoker who cheated on his wife and was apparently a terrible father, Hitler loved dogs and children, was a non-drinker and non-smoker, and adored Ms. Braun. So which was the better man?

            I don’t think that I would care to have dinner with Trump, but that wasn’t what we have hired him for…

          • D4x

            Was your professor’s name Godwin? Seems that NYT op-ed was pre-empting Lara Trump’s advocacy for shelter dogs, so I vote for dinner with Ben and Charlie, who also attended today’s WH Easter Egg Roll. Lara has already persuaded the Pences to adopt, so we might be back to “Will Barron get a dog in the WH?” regardless of the NYT. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0c8d7095338586f440cb6164fdc35fa1a7f861fffbbf740b00ef70d7ca96fb46.jpg

            Last week, Taiwan became the first nation in Asia to ban the eating of dogs and cats. Ben and Charlie are happy!

            f1b: a beautiful Pembroke Welsh Gorgi won Herding Group at Beverly Hills Dog Show. The Doberman won Best in Show. Must be a German plot…

            Fitting end to an Erdogan thread!

          • f1b0nacc1

            My wife and I joke that the real plot with most dog shows is that the winners are disproportionately terriers.

            Cheers my friend…you gave me a smile on a tough morning!

          • D4x

            Here she is (am not sure her name), in case you have a tough afternoon: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/744ce3af098ac0909c724023c20b93b59e78feaa52267ec283353e92aa078774.jpg

          • f1b0nacc1

            A beauty!

          • D4x

            Yes, Vicenta is exquisite. Beautiful fur-cut. I was sorry I missed the Herding competition, saw her in the finals.

            Before I sign off, I sometimes look at saved photos, to imprint a smile. Just now, looking at Vicenta led me to The Queen, and the pending state visit at Balmoral, probably now postponed to October. If the Trumps are still pet-less, one wonders if Queen Elizabeth II might offer some encouragement, for Barron. So many tall people in this WH! Imagine the herding…

  • FriendlyGoat

    Throwing away sense by thin margins is trendy these days.

    • Isaiah601

      But enough about the passage of Obamacare.

    • Angel Martin

      I think the “result” of this vote is like votes on the “Balanced Budget Amendment” and other Washington fakeries: never confuse the narrowness of the result with the possibility of a different outcome.

  • Jacksonian_Libertarian

    This is a NATO ally? Either Turkey goes, or America should leave NATO. They for sure shouldn’t get any F-35’s.

    • Fat_Man

      Sell them F35s, better we should destroy their ability to use airplanes for military purposes, than our own.

    • Andrew Allison

      Should we predicate suitability for NATO membership on how a country is governed or what it’s willing to contribute? Let’s face it. we’ve supped with enough Devils for supposedly strategic reasons in the past. Incidentally, pardon the repetition but, like the EU and the eurozone, NATO doesn’t have an eject button. That said, I agree with Fat_Man that they deserve the F-35 [/grin]

  • Attila_the_hun

    This election is just a staged production. Just like in old USSR. Erdo is here for life. Get used to it. The question is not if but when Syrian wildfire spread into Turkey. What Erdo will do.

    • Y.K.

      It was very considerate of Erdogan to count himself only a ‘narrow’ majority and not 100% of the vote.

      • Attila_the_hun

        All is part of the plan. 100% would be too obvious. The fight is just started.
        Seatback and watch the coming disaster

        • Y.K.

          I expect eventually a large Kurdish rebellion followed by Russian ‘humanitarian right to protect’. Erdogan has isolated himself, so NATO will not spring in to assist. Putin would be happy to be the one to begin to fulfil the Russian dream of ‘Second Rome’.

  • Angel Martin

    Erdogan represents to future of European politics – a moslem dictator backed by an islamist minority presiding over a population that is unhappy, but without the will to resist.

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