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DeVos Missed the Mark on Politics and Academia
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  • Pete

    What a hogwash post.

    College do make the kiddies more liberal then they otherwise would be — and by a great extent.

    But who does JW quote to dispute this fact — why the New York Times, propaganda central of the Democrat Party.

    Come on, Mr. Mead. Apply some editorial oversight to what gets posted here.

    • Jim__L

      The political divide between “college-educated” and non-college educated calls into question the validity of Gross’ (and JW’s) conclusions.

  • Andrew Allison

    A look at voting patterns by cohort and education quickly dispels the myth which Willick is perpetuating. Because “A boy of 15 who is not a democrat is good for nothing, and he is no better who is a democrat at 20.” (John Adams) the fact that kids are not growing up (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445252/perpetual-adolescence-american-life-21st-century) is also an issue.

  • Proud Skeptic

    If DeVos just undoes the “Dear Colleague” mess, returns most of the control of schools to the local school boards, reduces the size of the bureaucracy at the Department of Education, returns power to teachers (away from “educators”), makes kids pay back their loans again, nixes Common Core Math, and lets the colleges fend for themselves on being competitive. Then I will be happy.

    No matter what…she should NEVER ask a member of academia how to fix any of these problems. They are the worst place to go for advice.

  • FriendlyGoat

    From the links we can get to this statement made by Mrs. DeVos to CPAC attendees:

    “Let me ask you: Do you believe parents should be able to choose the best school for their child regardless of their ZIP code or family income?—————-(YES!) Me too. And so does President Trump.”

    So, let’s keep asking. Do you believe that parents such as Mrs. DeVos and Mr. Trump who have paid significant tuition for their children to be in private schools would plan to continue paying such tuition to those schools if they filled up with kids from all zip codes and all levels of family income?

    • Dale Fayda

      If these kids’ parents have the means to send them to the private schools of their choice and if these kids have the academic chops to do well at these schools, why do you think DeVos and Trump would mind? This is not government – enforced bussing, but rather individual families making an investment of their OWN money into their children’s education and seeing to it that their child actually learns something.

      • FriendlyGoat

        Well, of course. That’s the private-school model which exists today and which has always existed. What do you mean by parents having “the means” to send them?

        • Dale Fayda

          What I mean is that when you attend a private/parochial school, you almost always have to pay SOMETHING. Sometimes, it’s the full tuition, sometimes it’s a partial scholarship or a legacy discount, but it’s always a financial commitment – tuition, uniforms, academic fees, donations to the school, etc. In very rare cases is it a full scholarship (athletic, academic or means-based) and even then the school generally solicits donations from you.

          Having to pay SOMETHING for your child’s (children’s) education wonderfully concentrates the parents’ attention on what they’re getting in return for their money and also creates a culture of accountability in the schools themselves. Parents, as consumers, demand to see actual results and generally take a much more hands-on role in their offspring’s educational process, because they know that their opinions (and money) matter.

          When you wright a check, even if it’s for a nominal amount, you care; what you don’t pay for, you can’t complain about.

          • FriendlyGoat

            First of all, you might be surprised to know that (decades ago) my wife and I paid tuition for 14 years—-pre-school through 12—-to put a son through two small Christian schools. I was even on the Board of one of them for a term.
            I am not unfamiliar with schools which teach a religious world view and which seek to avoid the cultural (or behavioral) deterioration which can accompany being filled with “just any” students. And, I am not unfamiliar with cost.

            Republicans, however, are running these days on the idea of “school choice”, where property-tax-raised money is to follow the student to the school of parents’ (any parents) choice—–private, religious, whatever. I don’t think those Republicans are being very honest about the realities at the private schools. First of all, private money should be teaching religion and public money should not be. Secondly, the number of slots at these kinds of places are not unlimited. Thirdly, many of the parents now paying to have private schools will stop paying if they can. Fourthly, there is nothing which keeps a private school private when anyone can show up with a voucher and demand as much say in all matters as those who are paying. Net, net, the “school choice” thing, like so much of Republicanism, is under-thought-out and under-defined in messaging.

          • Dale Fayda

            These are decisions to be made by tens of millions of parents and by tens of thousands of schools – private, parochial, charter, etc. How all of these millions of people and thousands of organizations choose to handle each specific situation is none of your (or the government’s) business.

            It’s beyond dispute that all of these types of schools provide vastly better educational outcomes, for a fraction of the cost of public schools, many of which are nothing but cesspools of mediocrity, blatant leftist indoctrination, union corruption, crime and racial violence. I know this first hand – I went to public schools in NYC in the 70’s and 80’s. I can’t imagine the situation being much different today.

            If the Democrats cared an iota about improving educational outcomes, they’d be jumping at the chance to do so with the help of private/parochial/charter institutions. But they don’t care a fig for any of this.

            If liberals ever found a cure for poverty, they would burn it.

          • FriendlyGoat

            With a straight face, can you tell me that the REAL problem with your schools in the 70’s and 80’s was not the students themselves and the behaviors and attitudes they brought to school? WigWag, I believe, is the commenter here who has mentioned at other times that a real reason why parents want private schools is to keep their kids away from (some of) the other kids—–a much bigger concern than any worries about so-called bad or lefty teachers. That is one of the reasons my wife and I used a Christian school for our son in the 70’s and 80’s—–we only had one and we did not want to “lose him” to drugs, sex, gangs, crime or other social hazards. That part worked. The academic part, honestly was not as rigorous as it should have been. Our son became MUCH more serious about coursework in public community college than in private Christian school.

          • Dale Fayda

            Once again, how millions of parents choose how to handle their children’s education is none of your business. Primary public education in this country is a GALACTIC failure for a myriad of reasons. Given a choice, any choice, almost everyone (including the base constituencies of the Democrat party) would rather drive needles into their eyeballs then send their children to their local public schools. These choices should be expanded, not constricted or eliminated.

          • FriendlyGoat

            There are millions of people who are not too interested in sending their tax dollars to the teaching of unaccountable religion at the expense of their public schools. You can call it not “my business”, but it is theirs and I predict you will hear from them in due time.

  • Angel Martin

    “Students on the political Right are in the minority, but often have strong support networks, …”

    yah, sure they do ! (even the Huffington Post is not covering up what is happening)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/58ac64bfe4b0417c4066c2f1

  • Eurydice

    Why are you quoting a study from 2012? And a 2012 article that refers to a study going back almost 20 years ago? It seems like political polarization has gotten worse in the past few years.

    • Disappeared4x

      Good point about 2012 references. The shift on college campuses to activist intolerance DID become worse in 2013.

  • Makaden

    As someone with a PhD in the sociology of religion, I do not think the inclusion of religion in the study of sociology along with the study of racism accomplishes your intended argument. The sociology of religion is not something that “religious” people do. Hell, religious folks may even regret taking sociology of religion courses once they are in them. The founders of the discipline were all atheists: Durkheim, Weber, even Marx.

  • PCB

    I think DeVos got it about right in her use of the word, “Indoctrination”, but she might have also emphasized to what extent this is also occurring in the public schools K-12, when children are most impressionable. Maybe university only reinforces the liberal bias already instilled. If it true that the country is currently divided nearly down the middle conservative v. liberal, then the minority status of conservative Republican students on college campuses would suggest: 1) Pre-college left-leaning indoctrination 2) the majority of college aged people just naturally tend to be liberal. 3) that college bound young adults just tend to be more liberal than non-college bound young adults. I would want to look at the pre-college experiences of the minority conservative Republican students to see what, if anything, in their pre-college days shaped their conservatism compared to that of their liberal peers. I suspect, largely, 2 & 3 best explains these liberal majorities for young adults, however, that #1 occurs, purposively, in order to capitalize on the liberal dispositions of young people.

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