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  • Psalms564

    I hope Democrats pursue scorched earth policy. That would shrink party even more geographically and allow for real reform to take place. I find comparisons between Tea Party protests and current protests to be flimsy at best. The fact that OFA bragged about sending operatives to disrupt Republican lawmakers’ town halls doesn’t sound too encouraging. Plus, Republicans have a really important ally in all of this. Time. Obamacare is in death spiral. Just doing nothing benefits Republicans. But we’ll see what happens.

    • Disappeared4x

      Just heard one of the DNC delegates say the TEA Party arose in opposition to POTUSObama, the person, NOT his policies. THAT ignorance is why the Dems are their own “scorched earth policy”. And, why we “find comparisons between Tea Party protests and current protests to be flimsy at best”

      It appears we should not be thinking of Jacksonian or Wilsonian, but Weber’s Charismatische Herrschaft:

      “…Charismatic authority involves a type of organization or a type of leadership in which authority derives from the charisma of the leader. This stands in contrast to two other types of authority: legal authority and traditional authority. Each of the three types forms part of Max Weber’s tripartite classification of authority.

      Max Weber defined charismatic authority (German: Charismatische Herrschaft) as “resting on devotion to the exceptional sanctity, heroism, or exemplary character of an individual person, and of the normative patterns or order revealed or ordained by him”. Weber developed this definition in his essays “Politics as a Vocation” and “Discipline and Charisma”, as well as in other parts of his writings …”

      Explains so much of this ‘resistance’ and the focus on Never Normalize Trumps, and Never think anyone really cares about policies.

  • Dale Fayda

    Personally, I welcome the Democrat party finally going “full retard”:

    I hope they elect Keith Ellison as the DNC chairman and that they plunge headlong into unbridled Leftism.

    Liberals eventually always let you know who they are – oppressive, amoral, fanatical fascists. The sooner this truth becomes obvious to the general population; the better.

  • Pete

    Let’s hope the Democrats rip themselves apart.

    That party is the seat of hate and parasitism in government. The Democrats are willing to dissolve borders and even America itself in the pursuit of short term political gain.

    • nervous122

      I think this would be pretty easy to achieve. The Dems have nothing but identity politics, full of grievance mongers fighting to climb the hierarchy of victimhood.

      If I were a GOP operative, I’d be thinking of ways to turn these groups against each other.

  • Suzy Dixon

    Status quo/Corporatist Dems vs socialist/communist SJWs trying to take the party over = more Democratic Party losses to come.
    …Both play an equal role in alienating the blue-collar working class that used to be the Democratic Party base.

    • KremlinKryptonite

      Definitely. The Democratic Party does not win nationally if it tries to be hardcore leftist/communist. Clinton knew this. He was republican-lite. But that doesn’t work forever in a country that’s overall center-right.
      The communist SJWs have convinced themselves that the country is center-left so they are doomed to lose, lose, lose.

      • Andrew Allison

        I agree that, with the exception of the Socialist Republic of California, the country as a whole is somewhat right of center. However, it’s the Dimacratic party establishment, not the utterly irrelevant SJWs, which has convinced itself otherwise and is paying the price

      • Jim__L

        Cities are to the Left. The rest of the country is to the Right.

        The obvious solution here, which would result in a more stable society overall, would be for the Federal government to take a step back, and allow both the cities and the suburban / rural areas (not to mention, overall red states / blue states) to make their own decisions.

        This would allow a family, an individual, or a business to conveniently vote with its feet (or at the very least, get to know the people around them making decisions) instead polarizing the country by making everything a win / lose proposition at the National level, pitting people against easily-demonizable “others” living thousands of miles away.

    • Evan Seitchik

      You’re right that the Democratic Party is going to lose, and lose a lot, unless it can regain the support of the working class. But democratic socialism IS the politics of doing what’s right for the working class. During the election I spoke with welders from Cleveland, tea party activists, and none of them had a bad thing to say about Bernie’s message of taking the country back from the billionaire class. The Democrats will come out of this stronger than before. I hope I’m wrong–but I think Trump will leave a legacy that will tar the GOP for a long, long time.

      • KremlinKryptonite

        Job strangling regulations and even more massive spending is not appealing to the working class. Bernie is just Marxist-lite. His economic advisor was Stephanie Kelton, a huge MMT proponent. He used the same tired wedge issues and identity politics as failed Hillary, but worse he added a $33 trillion spending package on top of it with no way to pay for it… but MMT proponents don’t worry about that because it’s just Marxism-lite.

        • CapitalHawk

          We agree that MMT is total shiite. However, it is very appealing to low information voters. All gain, no pain. Win-win. Something for nothing. Snake oil, yes, but this is exactly what a lot of voters are looking for.

          • KremlinKryptonite

            Of course and there is a clear sect of the extremist left believing it. Check the YT channel “Real Progressives” and especially watch the main host, Steve, and search the channel for ‘spending’ or ‘economics.’
            It’s a real hoot 🙂 he even interviews some of the dingy proponents of it.
            (I’m not liable for any loss of IQ you may suffer from listening to it!!!)
            Personally, I really wish that this sect would take over the party because then it would kill the party, but the DNC establishment did what they had to do to stop that. Corruption? Yes. Understandable? Yes.

      • LarryD

        When the New Left replaced the Old Left, the only part of Marxist/socialism they kept was the rhetoric. Identity politics replaced class struggle, environmentalism replaced socialism. The ruling faction in the Democratic Part is the bourgeois, the upper-middle class concerned with preserving its status above all else.

  • WigWag

    “How does this end?”

    Probably not well.

  • Andrew Allison
  • Andrew Allison

    The proposition that Democratic elites have been caught off guard by the outpouring of fury from their base in the wake of President Trump’s election is dubious at best. It’s the (former) Democratic Party base that swung the election to Trump. The ravings of the SJW’s and their ilk are completely irrelevant. What is relevant is that in pandering to the lunatic fringe, the Democratic elite has lost sight of its base.

    • ljgude

      Hillary was certainly caught off guard when she unleashed that ‘Basket of Deplorables” remark on the Democratic base. I agree the relevant bit is that she was too busy sucking up to the SJW fringe to notice that she was walking into a knockout that took the whole centrist side of the Democratic party out of the fight. I think WRM got it right when he said that the Democratic party has succeeded when it refused to see itself as an on-ramp to socialism. As Bob Dylan put it – “It’s all over now, Baby Blue.”

  • Disappeared4x

    The NYT actually put some thought into this report on the schisms in the Democratic Party. Temporary hedging: no one knows if Ellison WILL win the DNC chair? oops, everything is off-script? The “explosion of grassroots energy” is as spontaneous as a …no, nothing spontaneous here.

    • Andrew Allison

      The problem which the Democratic (how Orwellian is that?) Party faces is that it has lost touch with the grassroots. It’s all about clicks.

      • Disappeared4x

        Seriously, the fracturing is not a surprise, to some of us. Establishment Dems were primaried by the left over Iraq. Dean’s 50-State Strategy in 2004 was an aberration, when pro-life and pro-gun Dems were recruited. No more diversity of thought since 2013.

        The big mistake in the coverage is that this is nothing like the Taxed-enough-already TEA Party, which was an organic grassroots movement.

      • Disappeared4x

        Just heard /saw clips of Bannon and Pence at CPAC. The Dems are delusional if they think they can peel off some GOP members of Congress,

        The Dems’ ‘establishment’, i.e., sane members of Congress – Sen. Carper, DE – but following the diktats, are struggling with the ‘resistance’; as are industrial unions.

        They should certainly not believe the caricature of ‘chaos-putin–what Garfinkle wrote-chaos-Putin’

        TeamTrump is getting serious deconstructing done. POTUS’ To-Do list is Augean.

        And, the GOP will stand with Pence.


        • Andrew Allison

          There’s zero correlation between the Dimocratic establishment and sanity. If there were ever a political party engaged in a suicide mission, Dims are it. I should probably reiterate that I hold the establishments of both major parties in equal contempt.

  • Angel Martin

    With this kind of Democrat “leadership”, how can they fail…

    they should also get that Congressman who thought too many Marines deployed to Guam would cause it to “tip over”.

  • Joseph DeMarzo

    An internal inconsistency. The R establishment failed this leading to Trump is a bad thing? It is a good thing because an establishment that was so soundly rejected by its base is not a good thing.

    And despite all the hysteria Trumpnis in reality placing real conservative policies in place while trying to also inject some level of populist policy into the mix. As WRM has so wisely written, a fusion of Hamiltonian and Jacksonian themes is difficult to achieve but if possible is a powerful coalition.

    I have had it with the purist “conservatives” who criticize every breath Trump takes, just like the left.
    The uni-party establishment will resist and we will see if he can succeed. Trump does not deserve a pass on real policy flaws, but the traditional R conduct in the face of left wing demagoguery and the alliance with MSM permanently doomed the old way. Trump is very combative but rightly sees that he must fight fire with fire.

  • demboj

    The political parties have rarely set the political agenda. And they’re not doing it now. The parties were always listening for what their constituents wanted and trying to do it or pretending to do it, or blaming someone else for not doing it. It used to be the Democrats were well tuned into the conditions, feelings, and interests of their constituents. The trouble is that these days, they have now idea what is going on under their own feet. They are separated from their voters by a vast army of intermediaries who tell them what to think: pollsters, consultants, donors, lobbyists. They rarely even talk to their constituents one on one or in small groups. Hilary Clinton never went into a home that wasn’t owned by someone who bundled less than $1 million to her campaign. That is where the failure occurred. The Democratic Party elected officials have always sought to do what the mob-du-jour wants. Their current problem is that they don’t know who the real mob is or what it really wants. If the left wing of the Democratic Party really thinks they represent the average Democratic voter, or are attractive to the larger group of Independent voters, then they are even loonier than I ever imagined them to be. Until they can figure that our, or if Trump fails to deliver prosperity and strength by 2018, the Democrats will be shooting blanks.

  • Beauceron

    What strategy?
    Everyone on the Left is smarter, more compassionate, more ethical and better educated than anyone on the Right. The right is full of racist, xenophobic, neoNazi hicks who, incidentally, only want to construct an American Reich style fascist state.
    It’s pretty simple, really.

    • CosmotKat

      Sarcasm or how you really see it?

      • Beauceron

        I think that that is how many on the Left see themselves and see their enemies.

        • Disappeared4x

          The Left also sees their enemies as misogynist homophobic islamophobes clinging to their guns and religion. My sarcasm is expressed only in the manner in which I string the deplorable labels together. It took some time to realize that I went from ‘deplorable’ to ‘enemy’. I used to think we are only racist when we criticize Black people, until HRC stood firm on the “implicit bias” in everyone.

          I failed to properly recycle the DNC questionnaire from Sen. Gillenbrand, May2016, that outlined the new catechism. Forget what the deplorable label was for supporting fracking of natural gas, the Heresy of 2015.

  • QET

    How does this end?

    Not with a bang, but a whimper.

  • FriendlyGoat

    Republicans won 2010, 2012 (except WH), 2014 and 2016 on “aversion to compromise of any kind”. They are still in that mode and will continue to be until ordinary citizens (especially in churches) wake up to what they are losing in this political process. Could be years, or maybe mere months.

    • Jim__L

      Compared to what was happening under Obama, and what would have been happening under Hillary, we’re not losing.

      Quit ‘splaining, FG.

      • FriendlyGoat

        You have not seen 2017 play out yet, so what is being lost is completely unclear at this time.

        • Jim__L

          The Clinton machine’s political influence? A chance to drive the country ever further towards socialism?

          The composure of the Left?

          • FriendlyGoat

            Repeating here. You have not seen 2017 play out yet, so what is being lost is completely unclear at this time. We get nearer the obligatory GOP disclosure of its own reality with each passing day.

          • Jim__L

            … Yes, reality is happening each passing day, and reality is being clearly disclosed on a regular basis.

            It’s not all that unclear, FG.

          • FriendlyGoat

            At least you can say something besides “Hillary”, but no, you ain’t really seen nuthin’ yet. Much, much, much more is coming this year.

          • Jim__L

            Could you Democrats say anything besides “Hillary” in 2016?

            No, no you couldn’t. Hence Trump.

          • FriendlyGoat

            Plenty of church people are going to be rethinking their “hence” as time goes by. No need for you to be the last one clinging to the “that evil woman made us do it” excuse while many of the rest of them actually decide to throw off their present captor.

          • Jim__L

            The whole “captor” thing… I’m not sure that most people see a president as a “captor”. He’s a necessary evil, the lesser of two, who has personal failings (like the Clintons, only not quite so serious) and is in no way any kind of messiah.

            Again, are you projecting your messianic beliefs about Obama onto Trump supporters? Are you projecting your own tendency to fall into line with every single point of a party’s orthodoxy?

            FG, other people simply aren’t as easily “captured” as you are. Open your mind, you’ll be a better person for it.

          • FriendlyGoat

            I don’t call Trump a messiah. I call him the guy who all of the evangelical pastors and ministries now support in every respect because they no longer dare not to because of their business models. That means he is the de facto leader of the evangelical church whether you admit it or not. Of course individual members or followers are always at liberty to bail out—-and maybe some will. But if they stick with the captured spokesmen, their spirits are captured too. It was such a slick operation that the insiders themselves seem to hardly know yet—-even after Ralph Reed recently explained it to them in interview surrounding CPAC.

          • Tom

            Someone seems to be rather confused about the actual state of evangelicalism. But that’s par for the course.

          • FriendlyGoat

            A lot of people are confused about the state of evangelism in and emanating from the United States. I am not one of them. Very suddenly, conservatism is whatever Donald Trump says it is, Republicanism is whatever Donald Trump says it is and evangelism has now been replaced by nationalism—-with “guess who” as the defining voice.

            We could and should be hearing the church people soon saying “This is not who we are”, but since 1) that was an Obama phrase already ridiculed because of Obama using it, and 2) because of the fragility of most ministries’ business models——we won’t be hearing any such thing no matter what.

          • Tom

            Sorry. You have not been paying attention.

          • Jim__L

            And if you think things would have been better under Hillary, you’re out of your mind.

    • CosmotKat

      Goat you are so full of sh*t here and intellectually dishonest. Compromise was “do it my way” under Democratic Party leadership during the Obama tenure. Mead’s not exactly being honest here by making this statement: “But the collapse of authority of the Republican establishment did not necessarily lead the country in a productive or healthy direction. It led to six years of scorched earth opposition rather than policy innovation.” There was no collapse of authority and what scorched earth policy is he referring to? It’s seems progressives have a contempt for the truth and an inability to hold Democrat’s to account for that which you always blame on your opposition.

      • FriendlyGoat

        Professor Mead seems to understand who was in Congress and what they did.

        • CosmotKat

          Does he or is it that he just agrees with your hyper-partisan view of the world that has just been rejected with extreme prejudice?

          • FriendlyGoat

            I might, as a reader, be able to say that I do or don’t agree with Professor Mead as the professional writer. The professional writers do not concern themselves with whether they agree with me. TAI has accurately described the behavior of Congressional Republicans from 2011 through 2016. That’s the point.

          • CosmotKat

            When the point is inaccurate it then becomes an error of judgement and opinion. And the professional writers of TAI are known to get it wrong just like you.

  • Jacksonian_Libertarian

    How many times have the Leftists declared the next TEA Party? The TEA Party has become the measure of any grassroots movement. I have serious doubts that the Leftists will have a comparable grassroots movement in my lifetime. Their biggest problem is that there already is a TEA Party.

  • Disappeared4x

    JW: 2020 is not Meryl Streep’s year. And wanted to offer Rihanna2020. ” Rihanna has been named the 2017 Harvard University Humanitarian of the Year”. Launch speech on Feb. 28.

    Plenty of time to change the Constitution on that pesky ‘native-born’ requirement.

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