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Corruption in Kiev
Ukrainian Government on the Ropes?
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  • Pete

    What a hoot. Sleazy Democrat Joey Biden lecturing the Ukrainians on corruption. Biden and his party could give lessons.

  • Andrew Allison

    This is a recording: Ukraine is a failed state.

    • Dale Fayda

      No, it isn’t. It’s merely their natural state of being. For Russians, and by extension for Ukrainians, what we call corruption is a dominant cultural trait. it’s their normal state of being. It is expected and to a large extent admired by the general population, whose main desire is to get on the inside of the system, so they can rob with the big boys. It’s only when corruption spills beyond a certain acceptable level, does the populace take umbrage. Where that level is varies according to the general level of prosperity and to the extent of how much journalistic and governmental scrutiny is directed on it at the time.

      Due to Ukraine’s abrupt slide into poverty since the crash of ’08, the effects of official corruption have become more pronounced in light of the country’s growing destitution. However, no amount of reform will ameliorate this cultural paradigm to any significant degree in the near future. Ukrainians ain’t Germans: they’re not even Czechs or Poles. “Homo Sovietikus” is still the dominant form of life in that country, especially in government.

      My point is that Ukrainians will muddle through, just like the Russians have through the ’90s, when things there were even more dire than they’re in the Ukraine now. Not until the “Soviet Generation” passes from the political scene completely, will the country begin to build new cultural norms. Maybe…

      • Andrew Allison

        Corruption is no more a dominant cultural trait in Russia than anywhere else. The scale of kleptocratic corruption in both countries is unprecidented.

        • Dale Fayda

          That’s open to question – corruption in the Third World is mind-boggling, so it’s difficult to categorically state that Russia is the worst in this regard.

          I’ve been to Russia and to Ukraine multiple times. Both countries still function on the basic level, which is more than can be said about a lot of Third World crap holes (Haiti, et al).

  • Jim__L

    So Walter — run that article about Hillary Clinton and corruption. You know you need to, to maintain your credibility here.

  • Jacksonian_Libertarian

    The only thing a Democracy has going for it compared to an Authoritarian government, is the “Feedback of Competition” for political office. Which makes finding evidence of your opponent’s corruption the easiest route to office, and being extremely cautious about your own corruption in order to hang on to that office. Therefore the reason Democracies are more successful than Authoritarian Countries is that they have at least 90% less corruption.
    I like to use the China vs. USA numbers, which show the 77 top Chinese officials networth at $100+ Billion and the 538 top US officials networth of less than $3 Billion, for at least a 233 fold difference in average networth. When you consider that the Chinese traditionally hide their ill gotten gains with their families, and that the Chinese officials have spent their entire lives working for tiny government salaries, while American officials generally obtained their fortunes in the private sector before taking office, and you realize that the 233 fold difference in corruption is an extreme low-ball estimate.

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