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Islamism and Modernity
Ben Sasse Shows How to Talk About Radical Islam
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  • Jim__L

    “But to radical [Yale students], “the ability to speak your mind and have a say
    in how you are governed” is seen, as it was in Medieval Europe, as an
    invitation to error, misrule, and license.”

  • DennisP

    Great article about an articulate, educated, caring and faith filled American – the best of who we are. We need leaders like Ben Sasse speaking in our public square – not Donald Trump, who is close to the worst of who we are. I see that the UK is debating banning DT from the UK, is there any way we can ban DT from the US?

    • solstice

      DoofusP, Donald Trump has the right to express his opinion, whether you agree with it or not.

    • Dale Fayda

      Donald Trump is doing this nation an invaluable service by bravely bringing up topics and solutions which tens of millions of Americans have privately contemplated for a long time, but which our craven, “post-everything” ruling class hasn’t had the stones to mention, much less attempt to implement.

      There is nothing “extreme” in most of what Trump talks about – a lot of it has been lawfully done in this country in the past. The cowardly political establishment is scared of the heavy, unpleasant legislative lifting these decisive actions would require, so they would just prefer not to do anything. Have you noticed that the establishment’s favorite phase is: “We can’t do that”?

      In closing, I’d like to quote Prime Minister Erdogan, speaking about the term “moderate Islam”: ˜These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.” Pretty much says it all, doesn’t it?

      • FriendlyGoat

        Your quotation from Erdogan reveals a fundamental problem with Islam that we CAN speak here in the “comment sections” (without being beheaded) but that our world and national leaders cannot, due to their “actual responsibilities” (a phrase once brought to our attention by Sarah Palin, referring to municipal mayors).

        THAT IS, that the holy writings from Islam taken as a WHOLE (as required) and the required statement of faith (“There is no God but Allah and Mohammad is his Prophet”) are a mess—-incompatible with other faiths and incompatible with the American ideas of freedom of religion and/or freedom from religion. Erdogan helpfully helps us understand that NO ONE in Islam apparently has authority to clean out the scriptural junk which justifies radicalism and which impedes anything we want to call “moderate Islam. Any effort by anyone to do so is an “insult” to the prophet and to the religion, as he says.

        Unfortunately, the only real answer in that scenario is to conclude that Mohammad is actually not the prophet of anything, that the whole of Islam is a colossal fib, and that the only intellectually honest path is to help as many people as possible dump the whole idea completely. It’s not hard to understand why neither Bush nor Obama has done this as president of the United States in a world with 1,500,000,000 Muslims. We need to understand that Donald Trump likewise has not, will not and cannot do it either.

        • Dale Fayda

          The first step of dealing with a problem is admitting that there is a problem. The second step is correctly identifying the problem. The third step is deciding on a course of action to rectify the problem. This nation’s ruling political class, and Obama in particular, hasn’t even dealt with step one. I’ll settle for someone who takes care of the first two (easy) steps and then goes about step three in a consistent and decisive manner.

          • FriendlyGoat

            Golly, Dale, I have known that Islam IS A WORLD PROBLEM for most of my adult life—-very possibly in agreement with you on that point. Naturally, I have a “little trouble” pulling together a step three, but would you support me for president seeing as how I have a firm grasp on one and two?

          • Dale Fayda

            Why don’t you give it a shot – let’s see what happens.

          • FriendlyGoat

            Well, I won’t be giving it a shot because I actually am the one person in the USA who “might” poll even worse than all of the hundreds of people who sign up to be candidates even though we never hear of them. But I’m glad you think my “corruption handicap” might be “okay”.

            The point was, I——and unlike many other liberals—-actually DO “get it” about Islam. I am fully qualified for your “steps one and two” on that particular subject, but, oh drat, that third step is HARD.

          • Jim__L

            “That third step is HARD”… but it has to be taken, even if it is not perfect. Obama hasn’t, because he thinks that just because he’s not George W Bush he doesn’t have to because he doesn’t want to.

            All he’s doing is talking about taking away Americans’ ability to defend ourselves, in a way that will polarize us lethally. This is not a good plan. Or good planning. Or good strategy. And Hillary hasn’t got a clue either.

          • FriendlyGoat

            No one that I know of has a real “clue” what to do. Seriously, it’s big, it’s complicated, it’s dangerous, and we can’t “nuke” it.

        • Jim__L

          Standing up for anyone willing to declare themselves apostate would be a good start. Doing that is a self-imposed death sentence as long as radical (and not-so-radical) Muslim governments claim the power to impose Sharia on them.

          Break that power, organize US diplomacy (and, yes, even war) with that as a non-negotiable goal, then succeed in persuading or imposing that on the Muslim world, and a lot of good things would follow.

          • FriendlyGoat

            I wish we could. The fact that Islam is a fib from which people are not allowed to escape—-by definition—- is one of the chief problems with it. A second chief problem with it is the belief in parts of Islam that deceptions are okay, even honorable, as long as they are for furtherance of the cause of Allah—-meaning any kind of false flag operation is permitted. That further means that people could very well “play apostate” until in position to commit an atrocity.

            All of this is a huge mess. You and I could probably believe that the name and power of Jesus can overcome the grip of Islam on SOME people’s lives. But, as you know, Islam also preemptively seeks to insulate itself from the risks of would-be proselytizers.

            As for war, we need to be careful with that in general terms. We all agree that ISIL is a “proper” enemy. That agreement is much more fuzzy if we began to speak of all the nations marinated in this false religion.

  • lord acton

    The man who our times desperately needs to become reacquainted with is Roger Williams, the founder of Rhode Island, who though very passionate in his own beliefs, led the way to the establishment of freedom of religion in post-civil war England (he was a friend of Milton, Vane and Cromwell) and in the nascent colonies. He had a large, if largely unattributed influence on Locke. Senator Sasse was echoing Roger Williams in his speech above.

  • Jacksonian_Libertarian

    I don’t mind American Muslims worshiping how they want, as long as their worship isn’t illegal, advocate unlawful acts, and support the murder, rape, robbery, or enslavement of others here or abroad which is what Sharia Law demands from Muslims (It says so right there in the Quran).

    • FriendlyGoat

      Uh, oh. We’re in agreement again. Glad you get it that the root is rotten.

      • Jim__L

        You know, if ISIS keeps it up and Americans (and possibly even Europeans) come to a consensus that Islam is bad news and needs to be suppressed…. what then?

        • FriendlyGoat

          The best hope would be for larger Islam to become embarrassed about ISIS and completely stamp the whole thing out physically and ideologically as a false claim to a caliphate. I’m not holding my breath that this will happen. What Dale Fayda quoted from Erdogan above describes the problem rather well. It’s hard to find anyone in Islam who can define rules for moderation and make them stick.

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