The Francis Era
Catholic Opposition to Pope Francis Grows
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  • George Armstrong Custer

    Pope Francis comes from the backwater that is Argentina and did not travel very much at all prior to becoming Pope. For example, he has never visited the United States. He is a bishop with very little experience outside of his native world and does not have his finger on the pulse of a billion Catholics. He was taken by surprise by the push back at the Synod and the Church is in for a very few rough years under this man who has neither the intellect nor experience as his two predecessors. A village priest at heart. His election will prove to be a mistake.

    • FriendlyGoat

      The Catholics get a man who wants to talk about real evangelism and they, including their bishops, seem to not have the faintest idea what he is talking about or why he would want to pursue such a thing. Meanwhile, Pentecostalism is sweeping converts away from the Catholics in South America and elsewhere because so much of Catholicism wants to worship “The Church” instead of Jesus. Francis gets it. His detractors don’t.

      • George Armstrong Custer

        You’re right, Catholics don’t want or need condescension from liberal Protestants. And it is our Church, not yours.
        The spread of evangelical Christianity in South America occurred under Francis’ watch as a bishop and archbishop. Obviously, he was a failure in stopping its spread. Just because his views appeal to you, doesn’t mean that they appeal to the people of South America or the rest of the billion Catholics worldwide.
        It may be difficult for liberal Protestants to understand but Catholics actually believe in their faith and its doctrines. It’s lasted for 2,000 years and weathered all kinds of storms, and it will weather your glib “neo-liberalism.”
        The Roman Province of Judea was hardly a backwater during Christ’s time.Jews were quite widely scattered throughout the Roman empire and had a significant presence in Rome and in the legions recruited in the Middle East. Jesus traveled all over Judea, was a man well educated for his time, and came from a family that we would consider middle class today. I wonder what he would make of Francis.

        • FriendlyGoat

          I believe Jesus is pleased with Francis. I believe Francis seeks the counsel of the Holy Spirit every day—–and gets it. Not just because he is the Pope, but because he appears to be a Pope who is asking, seeking and knocking and advising others to do likewise. Some Catholics receive this well and others just don’t.

          I’d understand your dismissal of critics better if we were calling your new Pope a bum, as some of them were. Let us brag on your guy a little and up go the walls of exclusion and exclusivity. Whatever.

          • Fred

            As a “conservative,” or more accurately traditionalist, Catholic, I’ve had my doubts about the guy from the beginning, but given the willful ignorance of religion on the part of the media, I have given him the benefit of the doubt. However, if someone of your stated social, moral, and political views likes him, I’d say that’s pretty firm confirmation of my doubts. Thanks for the heads up.

          • Thirdsyphon

            Not to kick you when you’re down, Fred. . but I like Pope Francis too.

          • FriendlyGoat

            Some conservatives (Catholic and otherwise) like the five Catholic males of our Supreme Court (Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Roberts and Kennedy) and have a “not so much” attitude toward Pope Francis. I see these things from a precisely opposite viewpoint

        • Thirdsyphon

          “Jesus traveled all over Judea, was a man well educated for his time, and came from a family that we would consider middle class today. I wonder what he would make of Francis.”

          A Pope.

      • B-Sabre

        “Jesus was born and raised in “backwater” places, did not travel very far, had very little experience, and profoundly changed much of mankind for the better. ”
        Well, you know he DID have that whole “Son of God” thing going for him, too….that might have made a difference.

        • FriendlyGoat

          Well, of course it made a difference. But oddly, Jesus was not noted for palatial background and surroundings at Bethlehem and Nazareth. Custer’s contention above that Francis can’t lead in Jesus’s footsteps without being more highly cultured just strikes me as blind as a bat to what the whole thing is about.

  • Cecelia O’brien

    the whole thing is overblown by the media and then the usual right wing reactions to what is essentially the usual give and take during times of great change. Of course the Church is wrangling over how to respond to liberalization in the West and reconcile that with salvation and living as Christ taught. What are they supposed to act as if nothing is happening? There is no doctrinal change proposed – the synod is about pastoral guidance. Chill. Catholics do not revolt against their Pope – not everything and every institution conforms to the over politicization and hyper response that characterizes discourse in the US.

  • Pete

    Andrew Sullivan is noted for being an outspoken homosexual whose entire world view rotates around his perverse lifestyle.

    His disordered thoughts have no credence.

  • charlesrwilliams

    Through the synod Pope Francis has brought conflict among the bishops out in the open and that conflict has become ugly. The ugliness has been magnified by distorted media accounts of what is going on. It is not really clear what his own position is.

    Well, it doesn’t seem like a prudent action to me but not a single cardinal voted to make me pope.

    In general this papacy seems to continually lose control of the message. But nevertheless Pope Francis is genuinely popular.

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