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China Vows To Harass Foreign Fishermen in South China Sea
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  • gabrielsyme

    One of the nice things about submarines is that one can sink an obnoxious Chinese navy frigate, and then slip away. Likely to be completely deniable (and even unsuspected) by the guilty nation, unless I’m very wrong about China’s capacity to monitor these new submarines. Someone might want to clip China’s wings without necessarily committing to war. South Korea might want to do so in a manner that makes Japan look like the guilty party if they think they could get away with it.

    I suppose such a move would entirely depend on whether a country thinks they can get away with such a move. But let’s count the countries that have a potential incentive to launch such an attack: Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, Malaysia, India and potentially Singapore; and potentially Russia and the USA; basically anyone who wants to preserve their territorial claims in the South China Sea or isolate/punish China. That’s a lot of different nations.

    • f1b0nacc1

      While it is certainly possible (and to be pedantic, it is unlikely that we are talking about frigates – real naval vessels – but more likely cutters or other patrol vessels), it isn’t as easy as it sounds. Even patrol vessels have sufficient sonar to detect nearby subs, so unless the crews of these vessels were incredibly lax (possible, certainly), they would know that they were being stalked, and possibly by whom.

      • gabrielsyme

        I take your point about sonar detection and the likely targets. That said, I think this is the kind of thing that is quite possible, though somewhat risky. I personally doubt that Chinese patrol vessels, even if competent, would be able to identify an attacking submarine purely by sonar, if that sub was making any kind of effort to conceal itself.

        • f1b0nacc1

          Submarines have acoustic fingerprints which can be used to identify them. While I freely concede that the PLAN may not be completely capable of identifying an individual sub, it would very likely be able to identify the class of submarine, and hence the navy which it belonged to. In a courtroom, this wouldn’t be depositive, but it certainly is enough for the PRC to identify who to take revenge against.
          Consider that the propaganda impact of such an attack (remember, we are talking about an act of war) would be considerable…I rather doubt that anyone who wasn’t ready to go to war on a fairly immediate basis would undertake such an attack….

  • Jacksonian_Libertarian

    I’m glad you finally posted a map of China’s outrageous and illegitimate territorial claims, even though China is a signatory of the “Law of the Sea Treaty” which limits oceanic claims. It’s a travesty that the incompetent Obama isn’t taking advantage of the Chinese Belligerence, to form an economic and military alliance to oppose China.

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  • S.C. Schwarz

    This is a glimpse of what a world without the US as a stabilizing influence would look like. Of course, at the moment, with this president, we aren’t much of an influence at all.

    • hai_nguyen

      Can we just focus on the matter at hand: Chinese criminal and lawless aggression that must be stopped now instead of this president or that president? It’s actually started when Nixon/Kissinger betrayed “our ally” South Vietnam and allowed China to invade strategic Paracel islands chain in 1974, Jimmy Carter stood silent when China took over some more Spratly islands or Reagan’s none-intervention when the “our treaty ally” Philippines lost their Mischief shoal and of course, after W. Bush redirected our navy to the Middle East… all the while, American businesses contributing to Chinese rise to be the biggest danger to world peace and prosperity. So, if you have any memory and/or understanding… your face has been slapped by everyone of your president during the past 40 years.

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