Single Payer Pivot
The Next Healthcare Battle is Here
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  • bigfire

    Now with even less care or accountability than DMV. God Save America. And this is coming from a confirmed atheist.

  • DiogenesDespairs

    Great. The statist, Big Government crowd that brought us the Obamacare website rollout now want to take effective financial control of our entire health care system.

    Expect many deaths until we find a way to stop the madness.

  • Andrew Allison

    As I have written before, the issue is whether we as a society, feel an obligation to provide a heathcare safety net for every legal resident of the country.

    • S.C. Schwarz

      I feel an obligation to provide healthcare for the poor and those otherwise unable to provide for themselves or their families. I feel no obligation whatsoever to provide free contraceptives to the Sandra Flukes of the world, who can easily afford to pay their own way.

      I retired last year and I am covered by Medicare now. It is indeed a great system, and it is bankrupting us. On average, each Medicare recipient of my generation will collect about three times as much from Medicare as they paid in. Where does this money come from? From my children, and yours if you have any, who, on average need the money more than I do.

      And this is the system you want to expand?

      • Andrew Allison

        Fire, get ready, aim! At no point did I suggest that Medicare should be expanded. Please re-read my comment and, if you disagree with anything I wrote, please provide a counter-argument.

        • Tom

          Um, the words “Medicare for all” come to mind.

          • Andrew Allison

            Your overlooking the word “If” was either careless or mendatious.

          • Tom

            However, let’s assume we take that if. Expand Medicare?

        • S.C. Schwarz

          As Tom notes, your original post said “Medicare for all.” How can you write that and then say you did not suggest expanding Medicare? And if you want to expand Medicare, how do you propose to pay for it?

          • Andrew Allison

            Like Tom, your reflexes impair your reading ability. IF the nation were to decide on Medicare for all, it would be paid for in the same way it is today, namely a tax paid by all. Removing the middle-man would significantlty lower costs. Example: I pay $125/mo for Medicare and Medigap; the “ACA” cost for a plan with a $4000 deductible and 40% co-pay is over four time that amount.

          • S.C. Schwarz

            Review the thread above: Tom and I have repeatedly made constructive arguments and raised substantive issues. Every one of your posts is an insult.

            You sir are a troll.

            And a stupid troll too since you choose to “debate” an issue, health care economics, that you apparently know nothing about. For example, in the post above you state that you pay $125 per month for Medicare. But of course that’s not the real cost of Medicare, the real cost is paid by people still working in their FICA taxes. And, even though Medicare collects hundreds of billions of dollars annually, it is still going broke. The latest Medicare Trustees report estimates that the Medicare trust fund will be exhausted in 2026. And that’s just for the people covered now. If we expand it to everyone the cost would be astronomical.

  • Fat_Man

    Go ahead guys, make my day. Make sure that all of the Democrats running for Congress are on board with single payer this fall.

  • GodisanAmerican

    Until GOP puts forward an alternative policy which covers all citizens, their temper tantrums just sound like ‘why we are spending so much on healthcare for the poor when we could be cutting taxes for the rich’
    Obamacare is far from satisfactory but when one party has gone nuts there isn’t much hope for a better bill.
    I hope someone like Mr. Mead would write about GOP’s dive towards lunacy.

  • Boritz

    The Democrats really understand that the best defense is an offense. If the Republicans were playing this game the right way they around 2004 they would have implemented an overreaching military project. Say, for example, a fleet of submarine aircraft carriers. Sell it with a pricetag of 0.8 trillion. When the project failed miserably argue that it was underfunded and appropriate an additional 2.6 trillion. By now the pricetag would be over 6 trillion. Not only would this feed right-wing rent-seekers but it would suck all of the oxygen out of the system. There wouldn’t be a dollar for food stamps let alone to makeover healthcare.

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