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The Amazing Blinkered European Elites
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  • Tom

    Okay, open question: Why on earth didn’t the Germans just load the guy up on an airplane and send him back to Tunisia once they realized he wasn’t supposed to be there?

    • Gary Hemminger

      Because Tunisia wouldn’t take him. But they should have just sent him back anyway. But if they did this and the guy hadn’t done his bad deed yet, many folks would whimper and cry that they were unfair to him. Read my post above. Many of these people are open border, socialists who believe that non-citizens should have the same rights as citizens. They believe in equality above everything else. Even if it means some of them will die. As long as it isn’t them, they are okay with it. It is the price a society must pay to show equality. Yes, it is stupid, but it is reality.

    • douginsd

      Because Tunisia won’t accept deportees without documentary proof that they are Tunisian. These migrants aren’t dumb, so they destroy their Tunisian documents to make any prospective deportation more difficult and drawn-out. Then the Tunisian government asks for fingerprints and pics, and if the perp turns out to already have a rap sheet in Tunisia, or a history of radicalism, then the Tunisian authorities slow-walk the process of granting them replacement docs down to a sloth’s crawl, because they don’t want another headache on their hands either.

  • Gary Hemminger

    Many folks in Germany, across Europe, and in the US believe that immigrants should be afforded the same rights as citizens. They simply believe it is bigoted and racist to not afford them the same rights. Whereas people like myself believe that immigrants should not have all of the same privileges as citizens, many disagree and would call me bigoted for my views. Legally these folks have no leg to stand on, but don’t tell them that. They will just call you a racist. That is why here in California they are given drivers licenses and can get into colleges with in-state tuition, and other privileges that I believe shouldn’t be afforded to folks that are here illegally. The fact that this may lead to folks like Trump taking power does not seem to bother them. Although they complain about Trump, they don’t appear to want to modify their behavior to prevent it. Many of the folks that believe non-citizens should share the same privileges as citizens and legal immigrants believe in open borders, legal justice, and are open socialists. Rational argument isn’t their strong suit. They simply think that everyone is equal.

    • LarryD

      Unclear on the concept of citizen.

  • Beauceron

    What does he mean “European elites”?

    Our elites have been every bit as bad.

    Frankly, the murders, assaults and rapes are not the long term problem. They are not existential threats. As President Obama is so fond of reminding us, more people are injured slipping in the bathtub than by terrorist attacks. The long term problem is the inevitable cultural changes that will have to be made when accepting millions of people from a stronger, more dominant culture. Freedom of speech must be curbed, modes of dress changed, openness about sexuality and homosexuality stifled, laws amended– or even parallel judiciaries set up, foreign policy adapted, traditions and holidays changed. Those are the existential threats. This is the murder of the West. That’s what’s happening. We can either accept it or be pilloried as bigots by the same elites that are carrying out the murder.

    • Tom

      “accepting millions of people from a stronger, more dominant culture.”

      Now this I have to hear.

      • Beauceron

        Fairly straight forward, I think.

        Are Europeans in their tens of millions moving to Islamic countries? No. Muslims are moving in their millions to Western countries.

        Are European countries adapting their laws to better adjust to populations that will make up between 20% and 50% of their populations in the coming decades? Yes– including introduction of new blasphemy laws to satisfy muslims(https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9253/europe-blasphemy-courts), the rise of sharia courts throughout the west (https://www.rt.com/uk/328366-uk-sharia-court-law/). Are western countries adapting longstanding cultural traditions to adapt to their new citizens? Yes, in a thousand different ways– from banning references to Christmas– or trees or lights, to changing swimming rules (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/6034706/Swimmers-are-told-to-wear-burkinis.html), to dress codes (https://pamelageller.com/2015/09/grade-school-girls-in-germany-ordered-to-cover-up-so-as-not-to-incite-muslim-refugees.html/)– so many different small things that, taken together, show a rising tide of change.

        They are not coming here and adapting to their new country, their new countries are changing to adapt to them– and this is just the beginning of the beginning. They are stronger than we are. They will change us. I know you disagree with me on this, but I say these things with the same assurance one might have when predicting the sun will rise tomorrow. How old are you? We will see the difference in a country like France or Belgium, for example, in a mere two decades. There are places in Paris and London now that I literally don’t recognize even from just a decade ago, they have changed that radically. Literally. It’s like being in a different city now. It saddens me. Those places are gone forever. It’s neighborhoods now, but it will be entire cities in a decade or two (Marseille is 40% muslim now– and considered the most dangerous city in all of Europe, and will tip to majority muslim in a decade) and then a few countries in 3 or 4 decades. The people who are taking over whole neighborhoods and towns and increasingly cities, and likely countries in the future, must be said to be stronger– and those who have them taken from them– or give them willingly– are weaker. We may have the economies and technologies, but they have culture.

        • JR1123581321

          Do you think there’s no fight left? I think there’s some fight left still. I don’t see an end, but rather a long and brutal struggle.

        • Tom

          As to the changing neighborhoods, the same could have been said of New York and Boston in the 1840s and 1850s, and then 1890s and 1900s.
          Furthermore, generally speaking, when people leave their homes to go elsewhere it’s not a sign of strength, it’s a sign of weakness, particularly when they have to get permission to go somewhere.

      • Fat_Man

        More arrogant, more self assured.

    • There is a sort of pretend strength that a weak, brittle personality puts up as a front. You mistake this in a cultural context as muslim strength. It is not. It is profound weakness and an incapacity to reconcile *as a society* with modernity (individuals are a different matter).

      Emigration out of your homeland is always comparative weakness.

      • Unless it is invasion.

        • Actually, I could defend invasion as a sign of weakness as well. Invasion comes in multiple flavors.

          Invasion is sometimes done because a group is expansionist. When that happens, it is *not* emigration. The old lands are kept and new lands are taken. But some invasions *are* emigration. In those cases, the invader is coming in because they’re too weak to resist their own invasion so they are emigrating out of their old lands and into the victim’s land. That *is* a sign of weakness.

  • Anthony

    If something is everyone’s responsibility, then it is no one’s perhaps – more context to rancor and tectonic shifts happening at fundamental political, social, and economic levels (immigrants, refugees, borders, etc.) https://geopoliticalfutures.com/in-defense-of-nationalism/

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  • adk

    “Nothing could be more obvious to a child than that mass immigration to Europe from war-torn regions convulsed by serial waves of radical Islamist ideology would create a massive threat.” (WRM)
    How many Somalis do we have in this country? Sure, it’s not a mass immigration hence not (yet) a mass threat, but a threat nonetheless.
    http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/22/us/kenya-attack-somalis/
    http://www.startribune.com/minnesota-leads-the-nation-in-would-be-isil-terrorists-from-u-s-report-finds/329942131/
    http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

    And Obama and Democrats wanted more from Syria:

    U.S. Reaches Goal of Admitting 10,000 Syrian Refugees.
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/30/us/syrian-refugees-in-the-united-states.html?_r=0

    Bottom line: our current elites are as dumb as European, it’s just that we are farther away.

    • Tom

      If you think 10,000 people constitutes a mass movement, you’re probably one of the liberals hyperventilating over the alt-right.

      • adk

        Reading trouble?
        “Sure, it’s not a mass immigration hence not (yet) a mass threat…”

        • Jihadi terrorism per se is *not* an existential threat. The preference cascade that happens *as a consequence* of jihadi terrorism is an existential threat. The pebble that sets off the avalanche isn’t deadly but the avalanche is.

          And let’s be clear about what the avalanche is. It’s the destruction of our interior space within which we generally consider ourselves safe from threats like people killing us for not following laws we never signed up for and don’t agree to as a society. Every street corner becomes checkpoint charlie in that world. It’s a much more expensive way to live and one that is much more isolated and isolating. Walls are everywhere.

          • adk

            You are exactly right, although we also should not discount a possibility of a WMD jihadi terrorist attack in the US or Europe. That’s why I find that sneering about the jihadi terrorist threat by people like “more people die from bathtub falls” Obama and Garfinkle so dumb.

          • No sneering here. I’m big on actually creating a security plan for all levels that is accurate and effective. We assume that such plans are in place but in my experience, there are significant holes that persist in large part because we aren’t sufficiently rigorous.

    • Fat_Man

      We have a whole bunch of them around where I live. A month or so ago, one of them drove his car into a crowd of students at Ohio State U. There have been several incidents and some thwarted plots that resulted in arrests and convictions.

  • lukelea

    “The radical populists across Europe are wrong about many things, but they are right about this: governments that can’t protect their frontiers aren’t worthy of the name. ”

    Isn’t that their main issue?

    • LarryD

      Why, yes. Yes it is.

    • catorenasci

      What an odd, out-of-date notion…..

  • Andrew Allison

    Massive political change in Europe would be a good thing!

    • Albert8184

      It’s coming. But the bad thing is… it’s probably coming on the wings of war….
      world war 3.

    • John Stephens

      Massive political change in Europe may be a necessary thing, but it is seldom a good thing.

  • control over your frontiers is the essence of sovereignty and the first element of any kind of internal security. This isn’t some arcane secret of statecraft; anybody who doesn’t understand this is massively unqualified to participate in governance.

    The entire idea of a European Union, which was with different emphases supported on right and left in the 1940s and 1950s, was to do away forever with these very concepts. In their thinking, Westphalia was the disease and the Holy Roman Empire the remedy.

    The main question is, how could this blatantly stupid idea lodge itself in the minds of an entire class, composing millions of people, and the best-educated and best-placed at that. It’s the sight of those millions living on a parallel plane of reality that’s really mind-boggling.

    • Albert8184

      Because the people were lied to. Because they weren’t sold on the idea of a revived Empire. They were sold on the idea of a democratic union free of borders for commerce and tourism and free travel, a unified economic treaty binding them all together in mutual prosperity and a common parliament to iron out the affairs of sovereign states and military defense amongst equal partners for the common European landmass. In other words… a United States of Europe. Like unto America. They WERE NOT sold on the idea of erasing their nations and cultural identities into some homogenous stew of Europeans, not to mention Asians and Africans.

      Because… because… it’s like everything else the International Left does. Deceit and subterfuge and swindle.

  • JR1123581321

    All of this feels like a giant prelude to a mass of bloodletting, doesn’t it? You can just feel the blood shed coming? It makes me sad, but if it comes, let it come.

  • Are we not Devo?

    Walter Russell Mead voted for Barack Obama both times. Why did you do that, Walter?

  • JJS_FLA

    “Political Revolution Is Brewing in Europe” — Geert Wilders, Dec. 21, 2016
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9619/political-revolution-is-brewing-in-europe

  • stevewfromford

    It is neither impossible or even very hard to “understand” such blinkered policies. They are a product of several ideological ideas. Once you believe these ideas and are in a position to rule, this is the inevitable result.
    One must believe that “diversity is our strength” as a corollary to believing that “all cultures are equal” which flows from the belief that “no one has a right to judge another.” Add to this a dash of inchoate anti Western cultural bias and guilt and you have the necessary precepts to “not judging” the poor “oppressed” 3rd world people whose “culture” is just marvelous and who have an absolute “right” not to be discriminated against in their free passage into your own “corrupt” country.
    Now, can any of us think of any political ideology that espouses these ideas?

  • Dusty Thompson

    Socialism is the message, Marxism is the strategy and Fascism is the goal.

  • Aaronic

    Orban of Hungary saved Western Civilization.

  • jsdozcn9

    “one simply cannot understand how the European authorities could have worked themselves into such an obvious and massive set of errors.”

    It’s easy to understand, the migrants don’t live in the same neighborhood as the authorities – so the problems they cause are abstract, theoretical, and thus very easy for the authorities to ignore.

  • “radical populists”? May the Truck Of Peace teach you the stupidity of that characterization. It would have been a radical populist measure to, say, take DNA, fingerprints and assign a unique identifier to everyone applying for entry linked to digital copies of all the docs they presented. Yep, pure radicalism there, numbnuts.

  • mhjhnsn

    Just a thought—if the Europeans weren’t so convinced that Americans are racist fascist troglodytes, they could have looked at the problems the US has with predominantly Catholic immigrants from a semi-advanced country, and asked themselves how Europe would deal with a large influx of primitive, tribal Muslims.

    But that would involve some flexibility of mind and a willingness to think rather than just quote incantations…

  • PierrePendre

    Europe hasn’t secured its borders against uncontrolled immigration because doing so would require the use of force which liberals instinctively flinch from and because it is the undeclared policy of the transnational EU political class to bring about population replacement through immigration from the only available reservoir – the Middle East and Africa.

    The very dubious circumstances surrounding the drowning of a small Syrian boy off Greece a couple of summers ago and the huge media outcry that followed it taught EU politicians that while their populations disliked mass immigration, they disliked avoidable human tragedies even more. From that point onwards, the gates were more or less flung open to all comers under the pretence that they were Syrian refugees for whom Europe was responsible because it hadn’t stopped Assad.

    EU navies began a trans-Mediterranean ferry service, picking up boat people as soon as they reached international waters and allegedly in co-ordination with NGOs and open borders activists in North Africa who helped people smugglers organise the departures. The European media have collaborated with governments and EU agencies in ensuring that the public learn as little as possible about these activities. Countries like Croatia and Hungary which have tried to close their borders to migrants have been stigmatised for their selfishness and lack of humanity.

    The open borders ideological movement has burst out of the academy and the political fringes and captured the highest levels of the EU whose president Jean-Claude Juncker has denounced borders as “politicans’ worst invention” and insists constantly that Europe’s old internal national borders should remain open under the Schengen agreement. The implication is that occasional terrorist incidents like the Berlin Christmas market massacre, while momentarily scandalous, are secondary to the humanitarian aims and economic utility of mass asylum for economic migrants.

    Politicians and activists count on people’s short memory span with regard to terrorism. Whether or not they are right will be demonstrated in 2017 at general elections in Holland, France and Germany but accusations of populism – a high crime in the liberal bureaucratic playbook – are being spun furiously in an effort to keep wavering voters in line and to frighten them away from the burgeoning anti-immigrant parties. These parties are scorned as far Right but those attracted to them are mainly traditional socialist party voters who feel betrayed by the Left.

    Behind the immediate issue of humanitarian refuge and the digestibility of mass migration is Europe’s demographic future. Europe’s native populations are shrinking and ageing and the trend is not expected to reverse making the welfare they demand but will not pay for even less affordable in future without an influx of fresh blood. The political class appear to have decided that there is no alternative to flooding Europe with mainly-Muslim immigrants asa source of labour even if this means subsuming the Europe of history in an unrecognisable multicultural hotchpotch of rival ethnicities.

    Native Europeans are neither blind nor deaf to the dangers of a future of ethnic rivalry and strife where none existed as recently as two decades ago but have so far been cowed by the united front of politicians and media and the fear of being labelled racist and intolerant in a political system that is becoming increasingly difficult to hold to account as prosecutors squeeze freedom of speech and politicians and police throw controls around social media.

    What with mass migration and the EU’s plans to federalise itself and destroy the power of the nation state once and for all, Europe is quietly and unhappily undergoing its most far-reaching revolution since World War Two and no one knows how it will finally play out.

    • Spot on analysis. The death throes of socialism being extended by demographic suicide. End stage narcissism.

  • I did not have

    The radical populists across Europe are wrong about many things, but …

    Wrong. They might be wrong about the one thing or the other, as everybody is, but not more.

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