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Trump's Losers
Trump’s Win Could Be Palestine’s Loss
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  • Observe&Report

    Trump has Jewish grandchildren and his Chief Strategist, Steve Bannon (contra left wing smears against him), is staunchly pro-Israel.

    https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2016/11/15/why-the-bie-lie-about-steve-bannon/

    • Curious Mayhem

      Yes, from what I can see. I don’t know enough about Bannon to say comprehensively. But from what’s on Breitbart since the pro-Trumpers took over that site, I don’t see anything from him that looks antisemitic.

  • Disappeared4x

    Trump toppled the Bush and Clinton dynasties, and Obama’s legacy. The Oslo Accords are thus also subject to this cumulative toppling.

    Rumor has it that lame-duck Obama will offer a state to the
    Palestinians: Michigan.

    Millions of new voters…

    • Angel Martin

      I nominate Manhattan instead of Michigan for the Palestinian homeland. The loudest supporters of “diversity” and “inclusion” will get the opportunity to walk the talk.

      • Disappeared4x

        In 2006, I suggested (elsewhere) New York as the Jewish State of Israel, but then realized the missiles would be launched from Massachusetts, Vermont, and Michigan, home to the biggest Arab community in the USA. Dearborn, Michigan.

  • JR

    The decline of support for this issue among the Arab states is by far the most consequential development. Trump will be great for Israel, but after Obama, everyone and anyone would have been an improvement. EU is increasingly irrelevant, and Israel’s strong drive to diversify as much as possible from the EU (ironic, isn’t it?) seems like a wise strategic decision. The Arab support is the secret sauce. If they stop caring because of their own problems, propaganda value of this to Iran will therefore be marginal. Sunni-Shiite division is what matters now.
    You know, I hated the Obama years as much as anyone, but none of this would have been diplomatically possible if he didn’t basically force Israel and Sunni states to work together.

    Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour. – Isaiah 45:15

    • Curious Mayhem

      Yes, yes, yes. Thank the Most High for Obama bringing all us Semites together against those wily, fire-worshipping Persians 🙂

      (Cautionary note for those lacking any sense of humor: many good friends over the years have come from Iran — really — but they were the ones lucky enough to escape in 1979-80. If the mullahs were gone, Iran would be a very different place.)

  • Beauceron

    Because we’ve been so close to a settlement so far?

    Please, mang.

  • Fat_Man

    The most important thing that Trump could do is to cut off the flow of funds to the PA, funds which, if they are not simply stolen, are used to finance terrorism directed against both Israel, and against the PA’s victims — Palestinians.

  • Kev

    It was obvious for a long time that Israelis were more interested in expanding their settlement activity, than seeking genuine peace with the Palestinians. Of course, building colonies in the occupied territories amounts to a war crime, but who is going to stop them? US Congress is basically owned by the Israeli lobby.

    • FriendlyGoat

      Your last sentence appears to be true. But the modern irony is that most people don’t seem to know that the term “Israeli Lobby” does not describe the Jewish voters of the USA. We hear that 70% of them just went for Clinton—-and presumably like-minded Reps and Senators. The actual “Israeli Lobby” is red-state America where the USA Jewish population is low, a point little understood and little discussed.

      • JR

        Israel has the support of overwhelming majority of the Americans. The fact that you call it Israeli Lobby is insulting to them. But I’m glad you are dabbling in casual anti-Semitism. Makes sense for a Leftwinger like you.

        • FriendlyGoat

          There shouldn’t be any mental disconnect between supporting Israel and supporting any “Lobby” which supports Israel. Those are the same thing, and that’s my point.

      • Kev

        Israeli lobby means AIPAC and a network of hundreds of Jewish millonares whom both parties rely on fund their campaigns. No offence to white evangelicals, but this demographic does not shape America’s foreign policy.

        • FriendlyGoat

          Yeah, I’ve heard for a long time that AIPAC is some kind of shadowy conspiracy running America. The thing is, it’s obviously not running America and for the most part did not support the winning Heartland congressional candidates in 2010, 2014, or 2016. As for white evangelicals shaping American foreign policy, is it possible you missed what just happened?

    • JR

      Wait, a Russian troll is going to lecture people on what constitutes a war crime? Oh that is rich.
      Get it through your head, Jews will live in Judea. I suggest you accept it as something you cannot change. We here in America support Israel because it is the beacon of hope in the Middle East. Now take a shot of vodka and focus a bit.

      • Kev

        There is no “Judea”. There is a territoty called West Bank, which is recognised by the international community (including Russia and US) as a part of Palestine.

        • JR

          Um, wrong. We are called Jews because we come from Judea. There were always Jews in Judea. There will always be Jews in Judea. Why don’t you give back some of the lands Russia has been occupying all this time?
          Come on “Kev”. There’s no such thing as Palestine. Never was, never will be. All of your efforts to the contrary will fail. People like you have been trying to destroy us for 5000 years. They all failed. You will fail too, my vodka-drinking tovarisch.

  • Curious Mayhem

    This reminds me of that Remy parody of Leonard Cohen’s “Hallelujah” — listing all the things he fears of a Trump presidency … sounds like what we’ve already had in the Obama presidency. Clever parody.

    And here’s what we’ve had from eight years of Obama about or for the Palestinians: nothing.

    The two-state solution is dead, at least for now. The Palestinians had two well-defined opportunities to accept it, in 2000 and 2008, and they rejected it. The PA is in complete disarray and trying to hold on against encroaching gangs of violent radical Islamists. The denial of Jewish history is reaching new levels, comparable to the insanity of the 1930s. Nothing promising here.

  • Mark Hamilton

    I don’t think anyone can reasonably predict at this point how Trump’s win will impact the prospects of an Israeli-Palestinian deal. The premise of this article is that American engagement on the issue is somehow crucial to such a deal and that without US engagement the Palestinians will somehow get the turd end of the stick.

    I’m far from an expert on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but from what I can gather the biggest impediment to peace has always been a radicalized Palestinian leadership that would rather its people die in the street or in refugee camps than accept the reality of a permanent Jewish state in “Palestine.”

    Given that this issue has been put on the back burner in recent years by reality, my instincts tell me that a Trump Administration would be wise to keep it that way. There are much bigger problems from a US perspective right now and there is little point for Trump (or for that matter a hypothetical Hillary Administration) to spend political capital chasing unicorns in the West Bank.

  • Phil Salvarado

    “…and, for now, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is taking a wait-and-see approach to Trump’s victory.”

    Yeah, that televised video call to Trump upon election was just standard form for all politicians, right? I mean his face wasn’t smiling so much that it looked like it would break open. Nah,

    Must be a slow news day, huh?

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