mead cohen berger shevtsova garfinkle michta grygiel blankenhorn
Je Ne Regrette Rien
Boohooing Over Brexit?
Features Icon
Features
show comments
  • Anthony

    Here’s a related Brexit perspective: “the market reaction to the Brexit shock has been mild compared to two other recent episodes of global financial volatility….Why such a mild, temporary shock?…the UK accounts for just 3% of global GDP.” https:www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/europe-brexit-hangover-by-nouriel-roubini-2016-08

    Also, for another perspective on current populist (anger) attraction and its representatives thereto see: https:www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/hairstyles-and-populist-politics-by-ian-buruma-2016-08

    • Ellen

      Or…as Janet Daly of the Telegraph frequently writes, “It was already factored in.” I love that explanation. If people are already prepared for a disaster, when it actually takes place, no one rolls an eyeball or even sighs, because it was already factored into their life and investment plans.

      In any case, the great stock market collapse (version 4.55) that was supposed to happen never happened, and instead we see a rebounding bull market. Proof yet again that the chattering classes don’t have a clue about what is going on, even in their own areas of supposed expertise.

      • Anthony

        And your point is relative to Damir’s piece.

      • johngbarker

        Are we seeing a revolt or a revolution?

        • Anthony

          Neither.

        • Josephbleau

          The Constitution was ratified in June of 1788, many years from the trials of 1776. The Brits must think of the future of their progeny and bend the arc towards freedom.

  • Beauceron

    I don’t know how real a phenomenon it ever was.

    But that’s not the point. It is intended to lay a foundation for ignoring the vote and either not exiting up front, or holding another vote in hopes of a result that suits the will of the elite.

    You are permitted to vote, but we will hold re-votes until you get the right result.

    We saw France and several other European countries ignore votes that dealt with Europe. While not a certitude, it’s a pretty safe bet the UK will too.

    • FriendlyGoat

      No one in Britain has seen the consequences of real Brexit yet, because it hasn’t happened. When it does, if it does, the consequences will not fall on the elite. They will be pushed downward as is always the case with the consequences of historical errors or catastrophes. If we do polls five years after a real Brexit (if one occurs), we will have a more correct poll reading.

      • http://www.the-american-interest.com/ Damir Marusic

        Thing is, years down the line, the narrative will also have been fought over and modified, so who knows what the polls will actually tell us. What this latest batch of polls DOES tell us, however, is that the “Bregret” reporting was a handful of anecdotes blown up into a supposed trend by wishful thinking, in an attempt at not think too deeply about why the UK’s voters opted for what they opted for.

        • FriendlyGoat

          It is possible for 52% of voters to make big mistakes which negatively impact most of them as well as the other 48%. The fact that we poll them yesterday and poll them today and the results remain similar does not even begin to address whether the direction is correct—–especially when this is like a “vacation” in the planning stage with not even a single step taken toward the destination.

          • Jim__L

            Sure, didn’t Obama win with 52%?

            Although in that case we didn’t really take the expected steps in the right direction, like with Racial Healing and all.

        • Josephbleau

          Hear Hear!

      • seattleoutcast

        You don’t know if this is an error or catastrophe. I would argue that being freed from bureaucrats in Brussels and a return to self-determination is actually a good thing. Having unaccountable leaders never works for a democracy.

        • FriendlyGoat

          This is why we probably have better poll results after consequences are seen in action (whatever they are) than before any consequences have occurred.

          • Josephbleau

            Yes, the close your poll is to the present date, the more it reflects the opinion of the present date.

  • JR

    I’m sure whatever negative consequences of Brexit are, there is nothing good ol’ confiscatory taxation above a certain randomly determined limit won’t solve. Back me up here FG…

  • PierrePendre

    Just as actors always play themselves whatever the role, journalists see the world through the prism of their own preconceptions and prejudices. It was inconceivable to minds employed at the Guardian, the BBC, the Economist and the FT that voters might not share their preference for statist, consensual transnational government by expert bureaucrats and the political herd. For such people, the nobility and moral grandeur of the European project far outweighed the failings so obvious to ordinary people. Also, they had taken it for granted that Remain would win which explains some of their post-loss hysteria.

    The idea that people voted to leave the EU because they were stupid, frivolous or uninformed leapt immediately into the opinion columns and news reporting (so little difference is there these days between the two) even before any polling had been taken. The claim that “many” regretted voting for Brexit seems to have been based on social media trolling.

    If voters were uninformed, the fault lay squarely with the same horrified journalists who had contributed their own tithe to a referendum campaign by the politicians characterised by the most shameless lies, exaggerations and threats rather than any attempt to debate rationally the issues at stake. There was little hope of anyone informing himself by following the partisan media. The claim also ignored the fact that there had existed an anti-EU majority in Britain for decades. Perhaps the hacks thought opposition to the EU was another of the famous temper tantrums in which they accuse the public of indulging when it delivers an election result that is disagreeable to the establishment and its hangers-on.

    In fact there is a strong anti-EU current throughout the EU. The French, the Dutch and the Irish have all voted against EU propositions in referenda; the German government has never dared to hold one and doubtless never will.

    Politicians and journalists in need of an explanation for populist ignorance fall back inevitably on accusations of racism and opposition to immigration. Doubtless there was some of that but there is nothing inherently racist or dishonourable in believing that immigration should be controlled and subject to popular consent despite what the left wing intellgentsia pretend. In fact many people were motivated by a sense of British history, a desire to recover their independence from a faceless and unaccountable bureaucracy in Brussels and a desire to control their own future. I like to think of it as a confirmation of the Henrician Reformation or the restoration of the monarchy after the failed experiment with Cromwellism (Oliver not Thomas).

    The referendum result dealt the British estabishment a blow such as it had never experienced in the history of modern democracy unless one counts the repudiation of Churchill in 1945. A sovereign people expressed itself and whether Brexit proves an immediate success or requires some painful, long term rebuildiing, the choice was theirs to take and they deserve more respect than the specious and mendacious insults of the Remain media.

© The American Interest LLC 2005-2016 About Us Masthead Submissions Advertise Customer Service