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Parsing Politics
Is America Really Moving Left?
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  • Jim__L

    As far as the Millennials go — you know the old saying, if you’re not liberal at 20, you have no heart.

    • Andrew Allison

      Plus ca change. You omitted the important bit [grin]: “He who is not a républicain at twenty compels one to doubt the generosity of his heart; but he who, after thirty, persists, compels one to doubt the soundness of his mind.” (Jules Claretie, 1875)

      • Jim__L

        “Compels one to doubt”… such an elegant way of saying it, I should remember that version. The original that I heard was a little too rough for the comment section here, so I truncated it.

        • FriendlyGoat

          Have you ever even considered that the quotation you are dancing around implies that we should “outgrow” our hearts as we get older? Turn the thing around with a conservative “brain” at 20 to be replaced by a liberal “heart” at 40 and you might have something actually worth thinking about.

          • Tom

            Nope. It just means that eventually you start adding actual thought to your feels.

          • FriendlyGoat

            Merry Christmas, Tom.

          • Tom

            To you as well, FG.

          • Matthew

            Outgrow our heart? no. Outgrow our immediate need for response to emotion? yup. I believe they call that ‘maturity’; if I’m not mistaken.

          • FriendlyGoat

            All depends on who the “they” are. But, for today, Merry Christmas to you.

      • f1b0nacc1

        I have always wondered about the origin of that most relevant quote. Thanks you!

        A very Merry Christmas to you and yours…

        • Andrew Allison

          And to you and yours! It is such a pleasure to be able to argue in its proper meaning rather than the current one.

    • Boritz

      That and the one about how a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged.

      • Tom

        There is a reversal: A liberal is a conservative who’s been arrested.

        • Boritz

          Some percentage of people who are arrested deserve to be. I’m not sure who deserves to be mugged.

    • Albert8184

      – and by the time you get old… you have a heart and a brain….

  • Andrew Allison

    Whistling past the graveyard of the left. The Atlantic, once the premier American literary magazine (to which I subscribe for 30-plus years before becoming disgusted) has turned into just another left-wing propaganda organ.

  • FriendlyGoat

    You’ll know whether we are moving left or right after either Trump or Cruz loses a general election. As for the poll question about big government—–it’s a stupid question, almost as foggy and ridiculous as the famous one they keep asking about whether America is on the right track or wrong track.

    • Andrew Allison

      Might I suggest that the question of whether we are moving right or left has been answered by the fact that the GOP has not controlled as many State legislatures and Governorships for close to a Century.

      • FriendlyGoat

        Yes, you may suggest that about what happened in 10, 12, and 14 but we’re now working on 16 and the recent past may not be a guide. Separately, Merry Christmas, Andrew.

        • Andrew Allison

          You’d better hope so, although I fear you may be disappointed! And to you too.

  • Corlyss

    American voters have been frogs in the water warming to boil as regards the leftward march. They are completely clueless, congratulating themselves for their compassion in looking after “those who can’t care for themselves” and for voting for the fictional moderate post-racial community organizer, while ignoring the rampant government-creep embodied in every goody-two-shoes “we’re here to help you” give away program since Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. All those “compassionate” programs are mere shining glass baubles used to dazzle the natives while hucksters take Manhattan for trash.

    • Anthony

      Merry Christmas and your contribution has been missed (but I’ve seen your input on “other sites”).

    • Andrew Allison

      There’s no argument that US voters are frogs in the water. But it’s unfair to accuse them of congratulating themselves for their compassion in looking after “those who can’t care for themselves”. Most of them are completely lacking in compassion for anything except their own (paid for by others) self-interest.

      • Albert8184

        What country has the top ranking in the world for giving to charity? Just curious.

        • Andrew Allison

          Relevance?

          • Albert8184

            Don’t wanna answer, ey? Relevance? You don’t want to find out you’re full of BS.

    • f1b0nacc1

      As always…spot on….

      A very Merry Christmas to you and yours…

  • Albert8184

    It sure isn’t moving right. And it sure isn’t sitting in the center.

  • Blackbeard

    Obama’s policies have cost the Democrats both houses of Congress, a majority of state legislatures and a majority of governorships and still we move left. Why do you think it matters what the public wants?

    • Andrew Allison

      Seems to me that the results to which you draw attention suggest that the public is, in fact, expressing its opinion rather decisively, it’s not by any stretch of the imagination a move to the left.

  • ljgude

    I don’t think America is moving left or right – it is moving erratically for the very reason that WRM has been pointing to all along: The Blue Model is breaking down. It isn’t completely broken either but our leadership doesn’t really have an alternative model.The deal cut by Ryan on the budget tells me that for the majority of both parties the Blue Model is all they know. WRM also said the Democratic party prospered since the New Deal in so far as it didn’t see it self as an on ramp for socialism. I think it has come close under Obama and has an openly socialist candidate in Sanders. SO I think the Democrats, because they have no new ideas are taking the logical step and moving to be a more socialist party along European Social Democratic lines. This is unsurprising – the Western left in general has doubled down of Marxism in response to fall of Communism (from lite as in Social Democacy, or full delusional as in Maduro or the UK’s Milband.) But it is foreign policy that the Democrats have gotten themselves in the greatest trouble I think because of their too close embrace of European multiculturalism. From the claim that Benghazi was caused by a video to the assertion that Ft. Hood was primarily workplace violence and a hundred other multiculturalist evasions of the endlessly provocative behavior of radical Islam they have made fools of themselves. ISIL constantly baits them with ever more outrageous and bloody forms of execution and can’t get a decent rise out of them. But Trump sure can by baiting them with mere politically incorrect words. Consequently the Democrats are vulnerable on foreign policy but I believe it will take well articulated policy from a strong Republican candidate to take the swing vote away from Hillary.

    • Pete

      If you want to defeat Hillary, just flood the country with photos and video clips of her. The woman is totally rotten to the core on the inside and it shows on the outside — her face, her grotesque body, and that hideous voice of hers.

    • Andrew Allison

      I don’t think the US (can we please stop insulting our neighbors by pretending that the two continents named “America” consist of the 50 States comprising the USA) is moving erratically (or even moving left). I suspect that the aberration represented by the current administration is transitory. If it isn’t, the Republic is in deep, deep trouble.

      • ljgude

        Well, I can’t stop insulting the rest of the Americas because so many non Americans – I mean non United Statsians – think America is the problem with the world and never tire of telling me so here in Australia. Back during the Bush Administration there was a book published in the UK called “Why We Hate America” that described Tom Friedman of the the NY Times as a ‘far,far right wing commentator”. That’s double far right mate, I kid you not. And those kind of folks don’t think they are insulting Canadia or the Mexes, never mind the Brazillianos. They are too busy hating on America. I suspect that it is the Democratic party that has been moving left for some time and that it is going to have to wind its neck in if it is to survive, but right now even a putative centrist like Hillary is forced by that leftward move to talk well to the left of where Bill could position himself in the 90s. Looking back on my own political history I think the Democratic party left me in 1968 in Chicago when I realized I did NOT agree with the rioters.

        • Albert8184

          Are you an expat, ljgude, if you don’t mind me asking?

          • ljgude

            Yes I make no secret of it. I’ve lived in Australia since the mid 70s. I have to say I don’t feel like I have ever stopped being an American but it is also true I have become an Aussie. The unreasoning hatred of the Australian left for America really changed me (Assange’s attitude is a good example) and I discovered on a trip back to the US in the 90s that Rush Limbaugh was saying lots of things I felt as an American but had silenced in myself. I got past Rush’s overly ideological opinions in due course, but once unmasked I could no longer ignore the assumptions of the left in general and the Blue Model in particular. I find WRM’s center right blog helpful and enjoy many of the commenters here.

          • Albert8184

            Interesting. If things keep going the way they are, you might see a lot of American expats washing ashore down under. You might wave at me as I pass by on the way to Vanuatu. I know a few of them living in Belize and the Philippines. Lefties everywhere hate the West. Not just America. We got serious problems.

          • ljgude

            I agree that lefties around the world all hate the US.They can’t accept the failures of socialism and communism and continue to believe that capitalism is the problem. The interesting thing is that the US left is different in that they have to do the mental juggling act of having much the same ideology as the world left but can’t hate the US as ‘the other’ to use one of their favorite terms. So you get the kind of rationalization that opposition is ‘the highest form of patriotism.’

          • Albert8184

            Their fundamental problem is philosophical. It’s is a secular cult of iconoclasm. Ultimately, they hate watching the world go on as it must, and feel compelled to interject in the affairs of humans whom they so vociferously claim to adore. They have fantastic visions of utopia that magically overcome the laws of nature, economics, mathematics and even biology. All in a spiteful quest to lash out at those who believe in… reality.

  • Beauceron

    I think many millennials will turn more conservative as they get older, just as most people who continue to think and read after college do.

    But the massive change in our demographics is the brilliant, revolutionary move by the Left. No debates, no arguments– they have the numbers and they have it with a population that wants big government because big government hands them things. It is, to be honest, simply an unstoppable combination. The Left has not fought for mass immigration tooth and nail for 30 years for nothing. They did it for a permanent majority– and they are going to get that, and with it other changes they have yearned for but been unable to get– namely changes to the Constitution, particularly to the 1st and 2nd Amendments.

    • Matthew

      Hey @Beauceron:disqus, I really enjoyed your response. It’s really hard to find other people willing to, at the very least, acknowledge the growing modern progressive/liberal/democrat movement may very well be damned unstoppable. When you actually stop for a moment and think about the necessary ‘moves’ the democrats have been slowly putting in-place, and with such amazing subtlety, it really does deserve the respect of conscious contemplation. I don’t mean to sound whacky, but it really is almost like they’ve been waging war on the American people since the early 20th century.

      I’m talking about the things like: lowering the voting age to 18, pushing for more open borders, the inception of the welfare-state and medicare, the vilification of wealth, placing education in the hands of the federal government, pushing the feminist/progressive agendas beyond their reasonable means, creating a more liberal/democratic environment in most colleges, controlling most of the main stream media, pushing multiculturalism on almost all private and public institutions, pushing ‘state-enforced cultural politics’ on the millennials, pushing the self-esteem movement which ultimately was the greatest contributor to the creation of the millennials, and I’m sure there’s more but I’m too depressed to go on lol

      If America was a game of Risk, the Democrats would seem to have all but surrounded what’s left of the traditionally individualistic spirit in Americans. While people like you and I have been focusing our time and endeavors on self-growth and personal wealth in the hopes of helping others and strengthening our nation, these people have been slowly breeding the silent killer they soon hope to let loose on America. I don’t want to personally believe it. I like to think most of this hysteria really is a ‘false illusion’ painted by the media. But the dumbing down of America is by no means a myth and certainly in it’s own right possesses the ability alone to bring down this country. So we’ll see (:

      • Andrew Allison

        You’re right, of course. But take some small comfort from the fact that we know what the outcome will be, namely misery for all but limousine liberals and the infamous 1%, but to paraphrase Mark Twain, I repeat myself.

    • Andrew Allison

      They, and the rest of us, will rue the outcome.

    • Albert8184

      Oh… it’ll be stoppable all right. The pendulum will fall off the axle when these people reach full zenith.

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