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  • rheddles

    Should Hillary send a note of condolence to Tony or vice versa?

  • FriendlyGoat

    Left is supposed to be left——not commie, just seriously left. Left is not supposed to be the lapdog of every corporate interest which comes down the pike. Left is not supposed to be saying, “oh, sure, we need some high-end tax cuts to get this economy going”. Left is supposed to know that too many high-end tax cuts are already a principal cause of what is wrong and why most ordinary people are not “recovering”.

    Win or not, this is playing out in the USA right now with Bernie Sanders. The reason he is rising is not just the negatives of Mrs Clinton. I personally wish he and Joe Biden would team up with Joe agreeing to stay on as V.P. (Joe did say he would do that for a President Stephen Colbert, didn’t he?)

    • Dale Fayda

      Me too! I’d love to see that Democrat “dream ticket” – Bernie “Dr. Demento” Sanders and Joe “I’can’t believe they let me out by myself” Biden! I’d even pay (a little) money to make that happen!

      By the way, how do you feel about Sanders, Client and Biden all bashing the Obama economy: http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=?

      • FriendlyGoat

        There is no such thing as “the Obama economy” except that economic conditions have been slowly improving from total crash in the last months of 2008. Remember, the much-maligned stimulus bill and bank bailout occurred months before Obama took office. The critical damage from too many tax cuts and too much speculation was already in place and had nothing whatsoever to do with Obama’s election.

        • Dale Fayda

          Oh, sure, sure… If we had only taxed the “rich” a little more, everything would have been A – OK. Well, we’ll see how this premise plays out around election time, won’t we?

          • FriendlyGoat

            Yes, we will. Donald will be nominated and probably cannot win a general election against either Clinton or Sanders.

          • Dale Fayda

            Sanders? A 73 year old Socialist, who is not even a registered member of the party for whose nomination he’s running? The Democrat party establishment will never allow him to be the nominee, if for no other reason than that he’s really serious sticking it to Wall St. Where will the Democrats get their money, if not from big business? Wall St. LOVES Hillary and they’re one of the largest Democrat party donors, outside of the unions. No, FG – you’re stuck with the Clinton crime family, whether you like it or not, unless Obama’s DOJ indicts her, which is unlikely.

            But I’d pay good money to watch those two hooples, Sanders and Biden campaign together! Not going to happen, of course – Biden didn’t buy his hair plugs and phosphorescent teeth to play second banana to Sanders.

          • FriendlyGoat

            Well, I’m not sure Trump wins over Mrs. Clinton, either, but if he does and we’re stuck with a Republican, I’m satisfied Mr. Trump is the best of them for the presidency. He has been a pragmatist all his life, not a pandering ideologue like the rest of your field.

            Once upon a time there was a man who was asked what would happen in the future. He said, “it all depends upon events, my boy, events”. (No, I’m not calling you “my boy”—-it was the man’s quote.)
            There are “events” to come which can cause any of several outcomes in the next election.

          • Tom

            “He has been a pragmatist all his life, not a pandering ideologue like the rest of your field.”

            (Bursts into hysterical, uncontrollable laughter)

          • FriendlyGoat

            Look. I suspect you are “worried” about Trump. But what’s funny?

          • Tom

            Somewhere between calling Donald Trump a pragmatist and not a pandering ideologue, you let your distaste for establishment Republicans blind you to the fact that Trump is amoral, most of whose supporters like him for reasons you hate.

          • FriendlyGoat

            Yes, I know the GOP Trump supporters and I are on completely different pages of thought. And, I know there are GOP people (perhaps like you) who do believe Mr. Trump is “amoral” and for that reason they would prefer one of the others.

            First of all, as you know, I support a Democrat. BUT, if we are drifting toward a Republican president, I like Trump for these reasons:

            1) He has completely ASTONISHED the Republican Party by (so far) capturing the front-runner status. For us liberals, this is amusing, of course. We have known for a long time that your party is actually an awkward coalition of people who think “all kinds of things”—-some of them on fringes.

            2) Trump really is a pragmatist. Business is business. If and when he gets to The White House and confronts what Sarah Palin called “actual responsibilities”, he will size up what is “practical” and act accordingly.

            3) Trump is buying his own way in and is not dependent on the ordinary GOP “donor class”. This is priceless—-because THEY are terrified that he will blow the whole thing before the general election.

            4) The religious wing of the GOP may not support Mr. Trump.
            That would be nice, because the religious wing has been being duped and used anyway by the whole GOP since Reagan. Maybe THIS candidate will finally wake them up with three wives and several bankruptcies. (Who knows? In 2008, the church people were not bothered that John and Cindy McCain were mega distributors of beer (and all alcohol-related maladies) in Arizona. So, one never knows what they “tolerate” in a candidate.)

          • Tom

            As I will repeat, in your distaste for the GOP establishment, you have decided that Donald Trump is a pragmatist.
            In the meantime, I intend to watch your party’s fringe go nuts over Sanders going after Clinton. Have lots of fun with that.

          • FriendlyGoat

            Well, OF COURSE I have disdain for the GOP establishment. I have not believed in ANYTHING they have espoused since Ronald Reagan’s first campaign. So, even though I know Trump is a Republican, I am glad he is now your front-runner.

            First of all, I do not particularly believe he will win a general election. But, if he does, he is the best you have. Walker and Rubio, for instance, were once thought top tier. They are both opportunists selling their souls and the hopes of Americans to their respective billionaire funders. I would rather the billionaire actually run as a candidate than simply write checks from the back seat. So Trump is the man. Maybe next time it will be Mark Cuban.

          • Tom

            You did not understand what I meant. That’s okay, I’m used to that.

          • FriendlyGoat

            If you want to be understood—-SAY what you mean. I do.

          • Tom

            I said what I meant, and meant what I said. However, let reword it so it’s easier:
            You have not decided that Donald Trump is a pragmatist because he is actually a pragmatist–you have decided that he is a pragmatist because he is discomfiting the establishment of a party that you detest.

          • FriendlyGoat

            I have decided Donald Trump is a pragmatist because he has out-maneuvered his business counterparts for decades. That is why he is a multi-billionaire. I have also decided that he is a pragmatist because that is the only Machiavellian way for “The Donald” to defend his turf and position like “The Prince”. Then there is the small matter of him knowing he could sell himself when nearly everyone in both parties thought his candidacy a joke. He read the tea leaves better than anyone else in either party at the moment.

            And, yes, I have a fundamental dislike of everything “Republican” because the entire movement has been spinning crap for decades.
            Donald only believes about half of the junk (if that much).

          • Tom

            You have made a terrible mistake. You assume that he will be pragmatic in the interests of the nation. Have fun, good luck, and may the consequences of your decisions be mitigated by the decisions of others.

          • FriendlyGoat

            YOU think I have made a terrible mistake for supporting Democrats!

            I am not “supporting” Trump. I am making an estimate of how much worse a Carson, Bush, Walker, Rubio, Paul, Christie presidency would be. I think any of them are a LOT worse—–BECAUSE they are panderers to the worst instincts of the conservative side. Trump will not sully himself with the full load of it. That’s preferable to me.

          • Tom

            You poor deluded fool. Trump IS the worst instincts of the conservative side.

          • FriendlyGoat

            Trump has a delightful way of helping us evaluate the depth of conservatism and conservatives. Half of your people like him and the other half think he is ruining your charade. I think the latter half are correct—–but, up the creek, it seems at the moment.

          • Tom

            If Trumps doing that, Sanders is doing the same thing for the Left. It’s kind of funny.

          • FriendlyGoat

            True. Sanders is being left like a left-side candidate should be.

        • Boritz

          Two snails climb onto the back of a sleeping tortoise. Later the tortoise wakes up and starts walking. One snail says to the other What did I tell you? The other snail says weeeeee!
          When you wrote “slowly improving” It reminded me of that joke.

          • FriendlyGoat

            The reason I said slowly improving is that the damage of 2008 was so grave only the “floodgate Fed” could even hope to rescue it. The problem with THAT is that cheap money flows upward, not necessarily downward. So for ordinary people, recovery is s-l-o-w. It will remain that way as long as speculation is low-taxed.

  • Andrew Allison

    As https://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/politics/9628562/tom-watsons-strange-journey-from-brownite-hit-man-to-labours-last-peacemaker/ makes clear, the problem of politicians whose only objective is to keep their jobs being out of touch with the voters is not unique to the USA. Corbyn’s success, like Sanders’, is due to revusion with business as usual.

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    • f1b0nacc1

      For that matter, one could easily point out that Trump’s success is largely a result of the revulsion against business as usual in the GOP…

      • Andrew Allison

        Of course. I made the Corbyn/Sanders conection based on their soscialism, but hold the establishments of both parties in equal contempt.

        • f1b0nacc1

          As usual, we tend to agree here….perhaps that should worry you? (grin)

  • Jacksonian_Libertarian

    Let’s see the voters are jumping on the UKiP band wagon, and abandoning the Labour Party as too leftist, so the Labour Party goes all in on even more Leftism. I doubt that is going make the Labour Party any stronger, in fact I expect even weaker polling ahead for the Labour Party.

  • http://www.librarything.com/profile/Bretzky1 Brett Champion

    Yes, Corbyn won, but he’ll never get to actually contest an election. He’ll probably be defenestrated (metaphorically, of course) by Labour’s MPs before 2020 rolls around.

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