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The European Refugee Crisis
Refugee Quotas for EU Nations?
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  • Pete

    Why is Europe intent on committing suicide?

    • Fat_Man

      The question is answered in a comprehensive way by David P. Goldman in “It’s Not the End of the World, It’s Just the End of You: The Great Extinction of the Nations”

      http://www.amazon.com/Its-Not-End-World-Just/dp/1614122024/

      Amazon blurb: “Why do cultures commit suicide? Why are we witnessing a new great extinction of peoples? Why is the economic crisis really a spiritual crisis? Probing the inner workings of civilization in a tour d’horizon of cultural decline, Spengler* argues that Europe’s postnational, secular dystopia is a death trap …”

      *Goldman writes under the nom-de-blog of Spengler at: pjmedia.com/spengler/ and at atimes.com/category/spengler/

      His writing is bracing but very pessimistic.

    • Dale Fayda

      This may help to shed some light on it:

      “A decline in courage may be the most striking feature that an outside observer notices in the West today. The Western world has lost its civic courage . . . . Such a decline in courage is particularly noticeable among the ruling and intellectual elite, causing an impression of a loss of courage by the entire society.”

      ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

  • Beauceron

    Europe is following closely behind America in national suicide.

    I just can’t care anymore. It doesn’t matter. What I think doesn’t matter. I don’t matter.

    The elites will do whatever they want, and if I dare to even hint at disagreement, I’ll be racist or Islamaphobic, or what ever “ism” or “phobia” is in fashion with the Left at the moment. This is the inevitable result of following the Alinsky Rules to govern, and get and keep power.

    I hate the Democrats, I hate the Republicans. And I am beginning to hate the US. If someone is talking about secession or armed revolt, I’ll listen. Short of that, I don’t see that it matters much.

    • Corlyss

      You really think America’s ahead of Europe? But Europe has been doing this for only the last 70 years. We’ve only just started, in the 90s.

    • Dale Fayda

      I think the latter two will happen within our lifetimes. Personally, I can’t wait.

      • JR

        I doubt it will be much of a fight. If you need a safe space with a blanket when somebody says something that you think may have somehow offended you, you ain’t exactly ready for the “man with a gun” world. I do think elites will go too far and push a certain number of people into some kind of armed resistance. It’s been a feature of human history since the beginning of time. Just ask Hosni Mubarak. Or MB stooge who followed after him.

        • Dale Fayda

          Hard to speculate on the the severity of the fight or on its longevity, but I believe it’s inevitable. Look how quickly things have escalated in the Ukraine.

          I feel that that “societal solidarity” in the US is almost gone. In another decade it will be non-existent. Once that happens, any sort of catalyst will do.

    • fastrackn1

      “If someone is talking about secession or armed revolt, I’ll listen. Short of that, I don’t see that it matters much.”

      If it happens, I’ll be right there next to you…locked and loaded…..

  • Fat_Man

    “post-democratic”?

    I think the correct term is anti-democratic.

  • Corlyss

    Europe should spread the influx right back to Africa. Blockade Libya, destroy the scows, patrol the beaches with drones, and kill the smugglers. If they can’t find who’s responsible, it’s only because they aren’t trying because they think it is mean to disrupt the flow of people in such desperate need.

    ” ‘The people’ were there to be used and manipulated by a tiny political class and would remain so for a very long time.” – Eugene Webber on the aftermath of the 30 Years War. They still are being manipulated against their better judgment and common sense. Piddling compromises that stave off realization for one more day only turn up the heat on the frogs in the pot.

  • Corlyss

    “Given these political considerations, the European Union will likely keep throwing money at the problem, and a comprehensive redesign of the bloc’s asylum policy seems unlikely. Rescue operations will probably be enhanced, but EU members will not reform their asylum policies in any significant way. More important, the bloc will probably refrain from pursuing military action in Libya, where the political crisis is far from over. In the meantime, asylum seekers will continue to enter the European Union, inflaming tensions between member states, strengthening nationalist parties and eroding popular support for the founding principles of the European Union.” – Stratfor analysis. https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/immigration-drives-deeper-wedge-between-eu-states?utm_source=freelist-f&utm_medium=email&utm_term=article&utm_campaign=20150430&mc_cid=ac22e78dcf&mc_eid=d7c61b7c8a

  • Kevin

    Given Schengen, talk about quotas per county are pretty pointless. Once they are in the EU they can pretty much go where they like.

    Every time Jean-Claude Junker opens his mouth Marine Le Pen gains another point in the polls.

    • rheddles

      But their children will stay in the same language area in which they were reared.

  • mdmusterstone

    D. Fayda’s quote from Solzhenitsyn
    got me to thinking about courage. In
    1940 the British, backs to the wall, offered the French fleet at Mer el Kabir a
    joining of forces to fight the Nazis or several neuralization options. When they refused, Churchill had the breath
    taking courage to order the fleet sunk. This
    elimination of a former allies’ fleet had the effect of legitimizing
    Churchill’s claim to fight to the end and asuring American leadership that aid
    would not be wasted. Churchill refused
    to be hostage to the political costs of his decision.

    I don’t think there can be political legitimacy or
    leadership without courage. Courage
    means not being taken hostage because of the past or established ideals. This refugee problem is no less an existencial
    problem than if the boat people were an armed invader. Legitimate leadership means neuralizing this
    threat and political costs be damned.

    It doesn’t matter what the EU did or didn’t do correctly
    in the past. To have it any other way
    would mean, we, in our personal lives, and entire countries, would be hostage
    to every past mistake ever made no matter how long ago; that’s an impossible
    standard nor is it ethical. How many
    people in Africa, ME or let’s include Asia, would like to have a nice warm
    place by the fire in the EU until, forseeabley, there would be no places or fire
    remaining?

    When an ideal becomes a suicide pact it is ideal no
    longer. The EU can “help” the refugees but
    they cannot “solve the refugee’s problems”. As I
    said before we “helped” Germany, Japan and S. Korea, they solved the
    problems.

    The refugees are in effect saying, “Look at the
    dangerous problem we have created for ourselves that you have to solve for
    us.” They have accepted victimhood
    and even before you solve the first problem they will have another and
    another.

    All boats, intercepted within sight of the harbor, to be
    towed back, if those putting themselves in harms way are harmed, the
    responsbility is theirs.

  • Jacksonian_Libertarian

    This is just one more reason the EU is going to fail and disintegrate.

  • iconoclast

    A quota system makes sense. The quota for Muslims is…. 0

    • fastrackn1

      That should be the world-wide quota for Musloids….

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