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Recognizing Palestine
Netanyahu: Europe Learned Nothing from the Holocaust
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  • George Von Herman

    When a group who’s stated mission is the murdering of jews “outclasses” Israel, what exactly are Natanyahu’s options

  • Fat_Man

    The core problem for Israel is that Obama and Kerry are leftists and Jew haters.

  • John Tyler

    Actually the Europeans learned much from the holocaust. It showed them that they did not care at all about the extermination of European jews.
    What Netanyahu is not seeing, or is just refusing to see, is that the 1930s are back in vogue in Europe, and worse, within many segments of the US ruling elites; specifically within the democratic party, and the Obama administration, in academia and within the media.

  • jburack

    I am sorry, but it is exactly and precisely Jew hatred that is at work here. Nothing else can explain Europe’s obsession with vilifying one of the world’s most admirable democracies, but the only one run by Jews. As to being “outclassed” by the Palestinians. It is enough to make the stomach wretch. What have the Palestinians done exactly that “outclasses” the Israelis – reject entirely three Israeli offers of a Palestinian state (2000,2001, 2008) on nearly ALL the occupied lands? Destroyed a precious economic infrastructure in Gaza given to them by Israel as it took every last Jew out? Run their cars into Jewish babies in Jerusalem? Teach their children the most hideous Nazi-era myths about the Jews? Come on, American Interest, cite one single plausible example. For you, who recently published Jeffrey Herf’s devastating analysis of Hamas’s demented anti-Semitic ideology, to make such preposterous charges is deeply disappointing. Shame on you.

  • jeburke

    Pretty much a function of Jew hatred. As for why Israel “outclassed” by Palestinians, it seems to me it’s because there are 100 million arabs and a billion muslims, but only 6 million Israeli Jews.

    • ahad_ha_amoratsim

      Yes, but it’s also because those who want to put an end to the State of Israel and massacre its citizens learned in the 1970s that they could get European support by murdering citizens of European states, hijacking their aircraft, and setting off bombs within their borders, then offering to stop if those states would condemn Israel and support Israel’s enemies with money, votes, and refusal to prosecute or imprison terrorists.

  • Jonathan Warmund d

    “Need to reflect….” Wow WRM. I think that’s exactly what Netanyahu and many like minded people have done. It’s pure anti semitism and it should be obvious. Why Hamas and the PLO should receive such disproportionate attention as opposed to everything else breaking down in the world is also related to anti semitism.

  • Curious Mayhem

    Not much to add to the comments here, except to say that the EU is insane, and the US administration isn’t far behind. Fortunately, we do have Congress, which is increasingly putting pressure on the Obama nutcases and whose next obvious step is to force Kerry to resign.

    As for antisemitism, yes, of course, it’s obvious — it’s back in force, rationalized by the usual suspects, and subject to willful denial by America’s liberal Jews. Israel’s main option now is to suspend diplomatic relations with the EU. It’s just as well, since the EU’s future is cloudy at best, and more and more of Israel’s trade is with Asia.

    All of this is made possible by the implosion of US influence and leverage in the region, which has reached a new nadir. There’s no Obama plan, just an isolated, narcissistic White House living in its own world, while the security system built by the US in the last 70 years falls apart. The One is too self-absorbed in his imaginary greatness to notice.

  • Ulysses4033

    Believe the situation is more analogous to the run-up to WW I where European nations blindly set themselves on a collision course for war by each unreflectively following faith-based assumptions about how the rest of the world would respond to their own initiatives–none of which took history or economics into account. Then it was a myopic nationalism; today it’s an equally myopic internationalism. The only correct response is to prepare for the coming war; we again have moral pygmies–Netanyahu excepted–running the nations and quangos involved. Postmodernism destroyed Reason as a vehicle for social discourse; one of the few places its toxins have yet to undermine stable institutions is China. The irrational European preciousness regarding Palestinian sensibilities is, unfortunately, just one of many lunacies besetting the globe. The resulting formula of Western dégringolade and Chinese self-involvement means we will all just have to suffer the consequences before a more sober approach emerges.

  • FriendlyGoat

    Israel has never been outclassed by Palestinians. Neither is either Judaism or Christianity outclassed by Islam, even though some nincompoop liberals have been brainwashed into thinking that, I guess. Unfortunately for me, a liberal, that is always frustrating.

    That said, Israel has always been facing a precarious security situation where it sits. Whether we all are obligated to defend that particular piece of real estate as steadfastly as having a commitment to stand with Jews against their persecution is always questionable. I never miss a chance to ask why no one ever seriously considers moving Israel. We have to face the possibility that shrinking oil revenues will cause some of the Islamic neighbors to get crazier, after all, than they already are.

    Are we Americans for welcoming the Jews here? Or are we stuck on supporting wars to make sure they pursue old prophesy there?

    • Suzyqpie

      “Unfortunately for me, a liberal, that is always frustrating,” the liberals in my family, seemingly, enjoy the victimhood of frustration. For them, and perhaps for you FriendlyGoat, being a victim is a coveted status that confers privilege, Liberal Privilege, aka, being a Spechul Snowflake in the world of hoi polloi.

      • FriendlyGoat

        Nah, it’s true that some from my side can’t seem to distinguish the problematic nature of Islam from a hole in the ground (as they say), but I don’t feel victimized by that problem. As for your family members, I wouldn’t know what they think. I doubt they know what I think. So, we’re not a pity-party club. We individuals are all at liberty to be as independent as hogs on ice (as they say), including you.

        • Suzyqpie

          Actually, Friendly, I don’t say hole in the ground or hogs on ice. That is 0bamaSpeak, aka, pedestrian and sophomoric vocabulary, rather like Eat ‘ur peas, Stop hatin’, or, uh,uh Wee Weed Up. That lexicological debris field passes as 0bama’s profundity…..

          • FriendlyGoat

            Those expressions were invented before Obama was born. They came from the hoi polloi.

    • Dan

      1. “I never miss a chance to ask why no one ever seriously considers moving Israel” Where would you move it to? Not that the Israelis would agree to it anyway, but I am curious as to what country you think would be willing to give up its sovereign territory to have a new country created there instead… I know there was talk back Herzl’s time about the British creating a state in Uganda that was ultimately rejected. These days it is not like there is so much land ruled by a colonial power who could just decree that they will set aside land and declare who will live in/rule it. If the idea is some kind of vote on it that an organization (maybe the UN) would vote on where such a place would be, well, we are right back where we are now =)

      2. “Are we Americans for welcoming the Jews here?” Generally speaking yes, but there have been other countries at other times who were quite welcoming as well and it never seemed to end well (I’m looking at you Poland) therein lies the problem. In all other countries there would be seen as the ‘host’ population which is inviting the Jews (the outsider) to come into their land. The implication being that while they may be invited and welcomed, they are still ‘guests’ as has so often happened, if things go bad in the country, Jews, an easily identifiable, small and generally successful bunch suddenly become uninivited and unwelcomed and safe only to the extent that the majority population permits them to be.

      • FriendlyGoat

        I actually do know that a proposal to move Israel will be met from all sides with “FriendlyGoat, you’re nuts”. I like to bring this up for raising some questions:

        1) Are we (the world) continuously cruising toward a big war to defend Israel where it is? Will Israel shoot nukes?
        2) Are we Americans really comfortable with the actions Israel needs to take to defend itself locally? Even though we know that rockets are routinely fired into Israel, do we like seeing Israel’s responses to those?
        3) Are American Christians supporting Israel for the right reasons? Or to honor vague interpretations of Bible passages?
        4) How much money would it cost to buy up a contiguous 3% of Texas (for instance) and move Israel’s 8000 sq. mi. nation into it? Would that be cheaper and more moral than wars?
        5) Would Jewish people be interested? Or, are the particular lands THE point?

        • Dan

          Sorry for the long reply but, here goes:

          I actuallydo know that a proposal to move Israel will be met from all sides with”FriendlyGoat, you’re nuts”. I like to bring this up for raising some questions:

          1) Are we (the world) continuously cruising toward a big war to defend Israel where it is? We “the world” don’t defend Israel. Most of the
          world either actively works against Israel or stands by passively. The US supports Israel, mostly diplomatically at the UN with our veto and with $$ that I think by law must be spent on military equipment from our defense contractors, so in essence it is really a several billion dollar subsidy for the military industrial complex. Sure we sometimes send trainers and personnel for defensive systems (think Patriot Missiles in Gulf War I, not to be mistaken for Gulf War II: This time its personal!) but vast majority of Israel’s fighting is done by Israelis, I think they like it that way. In any event during every one of the most
          recent fights Israel has had, Hamas, Hezbollah, we wind up protecting
          them. After “letting” Israel inflict some punishment for the first couple of weeks, we start agreeing with the UN, Europeans, etc.. calls for a cease fire with complaints of disproportionate force (i.e. not enough dead Jews) I’m sure while Israel appreciates our support, at least some part of them wishes they weren’t “beholden” to us and our opinion so that they could do what they feel is necessary (I’m not judging the validity of whatever that course might be) to deal with their situation. Alas, they can’t and eventually we get them to knock it off, sure, some presidents are more willing to cut them slack than others, but in the end the calls always come to stop the fighting.

          Will Israel shoot nukes? Doubtful, who would they use them against? Palestinians? Right next door? 9 miles from Tel Aviv? Doesn’t seem the smartest course of action when a change in wind direction would bring all the fallout right back on them. Iran? Possibly but I still think unlikely, condemnation would swift, severe and completely widespread, I think the only time they would use them would be:
          unfortunately, I am not privy to Israeli nuclear policy (even as a member of the International Zionist Conspiracy, it’s really cool, we get a decoder ring and everything!)

          2) Are we Americans really comfortable with the actions Israel needs to take to defend itself locally? Even though we know that rockets are routinely fired into Israel, do we like seeing Israel’s responses to those? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I think polling generally
          shows much more sympathy for Israel than for the Palestinians. That being said, no one really likes seeing dead kids and bombed schools (whether intentional or not) so usually, the longer the conflict goes on
          the more opinion shifts. For the most part, each “war” Israel fights ( really its just one war but whatever) has some kind of tit-for-tat that escalates. Sure they make claims of Israeli provocation (Sharon Temple Mount visit, etc…) but it’s usually some low level thing, rock throwing, a few missiles and then a much larger and more effective Israeli response. How can a democratically elected government
          allow its citizens to be attacked that way and not do anything in response. Eventually, the citizens will get tired of it and elect a government who will do something. So no, I doubt we “like” the response, but to a large degree I think we sympathize.

          3) Are American Christians supporting Israel for the right reasons? Or to honor vague interpretations of Bible passages? A little from column A, a little from column B. Thing is, the most prominently used Bible
          passages you are referring to are not vague. Whether that matters or not is a different question, but although I am not particularly religious, I have read the Bible, well most of it (ok some of it), good portions of it are a great cure for insomnia. Regardless, the
          verses cited are pretty unambiguous about what God says, “I will bless those that bless you and curse those who curse you”, some of the more detailed descriptions of the “Promised Land” where it is, how it was to be divided among the tribes, etc… so if you believe it is
          the literal Word of God, in this particular case, God is not leaving it up to interpretation.

          4) How much money would it cost to buy up a contiguous 3% of Texas (for instance) and move Israel’s 8000 sq. mi. nation into it? No idea. Even if it were bought up and all of Israel moved there, would it be “Israel” or a part of Texas with a lot of Jews in it (like Long Island) what I am getting at is would it be an independent country? Would that be cheaper and more moral than wars? Cheaper, no idea. More moral, well sometimes war can be the moral thing to do. Given the Jewish people’s long and pretty painful history, I could see how Israelis feel responsible for dealing with their own survival as well as to give Jews around the world a refuge should they need it.

          5) Would Jewish people be interested? Jews or Israelis? I’m sure a lot of US Jews would be for it,the Israelis, not so much. Or, are the
          particular lands THE point? Again, depends on who you ask. Some Jews don’t think Israel should exist at all until the Messiah comes, some don’t think one inch should be given up (particularly in the West Bank, which is really where the crux of Jewish history happened, not so much Tel Aviv or the rest of the coastal area, and some are
          willing to trade good chunks of it if they thought they could live in peace.

          6) And then, as a recent development, how is Israel’s offshore oil/gas going to play out? If I knew that, I would use my amazing foresight to play the stock market or pick lottery numbers instead of wasting my employer’s time talking to strangers on the internet.

          Good for peace or bad? I would think it could be good, given the turmoil with Russia, it provides another source for Europe which might make them a bit more favorably disposed to Israel, it could help
          with their more immediate neighbors (Jorden, Egypt) then again maybe other places don’t like the competition (Iraq/Iran) and it creates trouble through attacks on it via Hezbollah, etc. (I would think
          any attack on their gas facilities would be SEVERELY punished)

          • FriendlyGoat

            I’m still digesting all you said. By raising questions, we’re talking about lots of things.

          • Dan

            1.It’s VERY unfortunate that Israel’s enemies seem willing to sacrifice their own common people in the Israeli reactions to provocations which seem designed just to attract a reaction which can then be shopped out for sympathy from whomever is willing to condemn the reaction

            Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us. -Golda Meir

            2. I have noticed that many Jews around the world see Israel as a place of “refuge should they need it”, as you said. I hope that over-confidence in the reliability of that plan is not misplaced.

            More than hoping the plan is reliable, lets hope its never needed.

            3. As for Israel exchanging chunks of land for peace, that seems proven to not be working. It seems that an uneasy status quo is all anyone is ever allowed to hope for. This has never really sounded like the will of God to me. But, hey, I don’t really know anything. I just throw out questions.

            Unfortunately true. Israel forcibly removed every single Jew from Gaza, left them $10 million worth of productive greenhouses and in return the Palestinians destroyed the greenhouses and started launching rockets indiscriminately.

          • Dan

            Ps here’s the latest example of what I was talking about,7340,L-4605646,00.html

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