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Scotland Forever
Scotland to UK: You Can't Leave The EU Without Our Say-So

Scotland should have the right to veto any British exit from the European Union, the Scottish National Party’s new leader announced yesterday. The Financial Times reports:

An EU exit should require a referendum majority both in the UK as a whole and in each of the nations of Scotland, England, Northern Ireland and Wales, said [Nicola] Sturgeon, who will next month become leader of the pro-EU Scottish National Party and Scotland’s first minister.

David Cameron rejected her call, telling the House of Commons: “We are one United Kingdom and there will be one in-out referendum. That will be decided on a majority of those who vote.”

As we saw during the Scottish Independence Referendum, Scotland is further to the left than the UK as a whole. In the current political climate, that means it tilts pro-EU (and even pro-Euro). Since the EU just gave England’s Eurosceptics 1.7 billion reasons to want to leave, this creates a serious rift. Were Scotland just any other left-leaning region of England, this wouldn’t be such a big deal. But enough secessionist sentiment still exists there that a double split—Britain out of the EU, so Scotland out of Britain—would be a real possibility.

The question of Brexit is endlessly complicated. Even leaving aside Eurocrats who might have other interests, it’s still unclear as to who will be Prime Minister in a year—and Labour hasn’t fully signed off on holding a referendum. But if Britain does come to choose, the Scottish question will probably continue to be a major factor.

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  • Andrew Allison

    The SNP appears not to have noticed that the Scottish people recently voted to remain part of the United Kingdom. Simply put, Scotland is not a nation, but part of one. Ms Sturgeon and her party are suffering delusions of grandeur. The Sots simply do not have the power to veto legislation passed in Westminster.

    • Thirdsyphon

      I think what the SNP learned from that experience is that if they continue to stoke Scottish grievances, Westminster will go to great and even humiliating lengths to ensure that those grievances are appeased. So SNP’s new strategy, predictably, is to seek out and exploit new causes for grievance. . .ideally (for them) resulting in Scotland laying down conditions that Westminster literally cannot satisfy.

      This may just be the one.

      • Andrew Allison

        I predict that this nonsensical declaration will have the effect of hardening Westminster’s intention to apply the same limited freedoms devolved to Scotland to England, thereby greatly diminishing the power of SNP (and the Labour Party) in Parliament with respect to English affairs. The SNP complains that it don’t get no respect from Labour; this is hardly the way to change that.

  • Tom

    Oooooh, the Crittenden Compromise is back. Let’s see if the proposal works out across the pond.

  • Dhako

    Although UK as a whole wouldn’t be leaving the EU anytime soon, but, if foolishly the majority of English voters decides to leave the EU (or at least take the UK out of the EU) then I can assure you the Scots will not have any track with that. And, in fact, it’s the heavenly prayer of the SNP to see the English voters saying that we are leaving the EU, since a decisive majority of Scots wants to remain the EU, come what may.

    So, I suppose, you can see why the SNP are hoping that Cameron and his conservative party to recommend for UK to leave the EU, since, at that moment, the SNP, will say the conservative party (who do not have any representations from the Scottish seats in Westminster) do not speak for the Scots. And the Scots will have to have their own vote to agree with the English, or else, it’s a constitutional crisis Westminster has no answer to.

    Hence, if Cameron gets re-elected next year he will be better off in somehow winning a small concession from the rest of the EU and then recommend a YES vote for whole of UK to remain in the EU in 2017 EU’s referendum, so that way he will not be opening himself into another constitutional crisis, particularly of the kind that will argue as to who speak for Scotland as a nation, since, no Scots I know of, will ever accept that an Englishman in Westminster’s parliament speaks for him when it comes to whether Scotland will remain in Europe or not, irrespective of what the English voters decides for themselves.

    • f1b0nacc1

      Big talk, but until the Scots can pay their own bills, they haven’t got much leverage with the adults. Let them stay in their playpen till they grow up.

      • Alex K.

        Whether the Scots can pay their own bills depends on what share in the North Sea revenue they are entitled to.

        • f1b0nacc1

          Even if the Scots got ALL of the North Sea revenue, it doesn’t come close to paying for their welfare state. The SNP peddled this fantasy during the referendum, and it wasn’t any more credible then than it is now.

          • Alex K.

            Why is that a fantasy? As far as I know, welfare payments per capita are not significantly higher, if higher at all, in Scotland than in England. Is Scotland’s GDP per capita much lower than England’s? If not, where’s the fantasy?

          • f1b0nacc1

            Scotland’s economic output per capita (GDP INCLUDE government spending, obviously that isn’t relevant here) is far, far lower than England’s. There is the fantasy…

          • Alex K.

            It would be nice to see some statistics in support of that.

    • Andrew Allison

      “At Westminster, Scotland is represented by 12 MPs in the current coalition government (11 Liberal Democrats and 1 Conservative), 41 MPs in the Opposition Labour Party, and 6 MPs for the Scottish National Party.” ( The rest of the comment is equally uninformed.

  • Fat_Man

    This is at best amusing. It has no legal force, and the SNP has no friends at Westminster.

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