Trouble in Turkey
Conspiracies Galore Threaten Erdogan’s Rule
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  • Jacksonian_Libertarian

    I’ve said all along that Erdogan want to make himself Caliph and start a dynasty. That he broke what Ataturk built through persecution of the Military is a fact, with thousands of Officers arrested and jailed. Ataturk recognized that Islam is a backward religion incapable of spawning a modern democracy, and set up the military as a bulwark against a Muslim Dictatorship. This structure failed in the face of the recent Muslim passion for terrorism and political power. Hopefully Erdogan will get overthrown in the near future and Turkey can face a freer Democratic future.

    • Andrew Allison

      For the sake of discussion, might I propose that religion (which by definition commands obedience to a higher authority) and democracy are antithetical, as is military rule (for the same reason); and that democracy is not appropriate for countries with strong tribal tensions.

      • Fred

        I agree with the second part of your comment. Savages are savage, hence the term. But you are dead wrong about religion. Do you think it is mere coincidence that liberal democracy developed only in areas dominated by Christianity and is still for the most part only successful in those places once dominated by Christianity?

        • Tom

          Interesting thing is that those countries that have tended to handle democratic transitions best have been largely Protestant–Britain, Sweden, the USA.

          • Fred

            As a Catholic, I hate to admit it, but you’re pretty much right. I will say, however, that the USA’s extreme individualism and ludicrous egalitarianism could use a dose of Catholic community-mindedness and recognition of the necessity of hierarchy.

  • This is funny. In a culture where conspiracy thinking has been ingrained for many hundreds of years, you don’t actually need to have the goods. You just have to start a rumor that you do, and your opponent’s own spouting of conspiracy theories about cabals will actually make your rumors *more* plausible. Which eats away at your target’s legitimacy.

    These dynamics cut both ways, of course – so the end result is very little legitimacy in the system, and its progressive substitution by force. It’s an interesting mini-lesson in why evidence-based thinking is so critical to effective self-government.

    With that said, the Gulenists are never to be underestimated. They might just have the goods, after all.

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