Did He or Didn’t He?
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  • If you like your plan (and if HHS likes the plan, too) you can keep it.

    Do you really expect the President of the United States to mention every last detail that has to be true before you could keep your plan? He’s a busy man, and has other important things to talk about.

    • M Snow

      Lol

    • Pete

      “He’s (Obama) a busy man, and has other important things to talk about.”

      Like golf and his next vacation.

  • Kevin

    It is also important as a matter of trust between the government and the governed. When the governing class lies and misleads the voters it promotes a corrosive cynicism about the government.

    • Corlyss

      True for the last 50 years. Trust has declined markedly from the 60s to now. The demo trusting the government is somewhere in the 30s and probably represents all those minorities and single women who “can’t make it without government handouts.”

  • Jacksonian_Libertarian

    They had to lie about the plan, the leftist politicians wouldn’t have voted for it without the political cover from the President.

    • Corlyss

      Close, but it wasn’t the lefty pols they had to convince. Those guys were already on board with the Progs #1 wet dream.
      The people they had to convince were the voters who don’t know jack about public policy. It was the public that had to be anesthetized. The gob smacked voters who were intrigued by the first Black president enough to vote for Obama, despite the fact that he was the most left wing of Democrats, needed to be reassured that they hadn’t made a horrible mistake. To quote David Horowitz, “When you think you can end poverty, racism, and injustice, what lies will you NOT tell? Whom will you NOT kill?” Lying for Justice becomes not a necessary evil but an imperative good.

      If this hadn’t been such a monumental disaster for America on so many levels, I’d be saying the shocking truth and reality serves them right. I never believed the man from the moment he surfaced in 2004 as Jack Ryan’s challenger. Not once. Not ever. The nature and extent dirty tricks the Dems were prepared to pull would only have been deployed in the interests of putting forward a Trojan Horse in whom they had enormous faith that he would do for them what they could never have done otherwise.

  • lord acton

    In time, Obamacare will be seen as the Stalingrad of the welfare state. As medicare and social security were starting to crack under the inexorable reality of math, the leftists went all in with Obamacare to create a new entitlement. This defeat will lead to a total collapse of the blue model (Eastern Front). Truly, President Obama will be remembered for transforming the country.

  • Pete

    Only a fool will trust Washington.

  • pwjam

    I agree the president’s words were misleading, but I do have a few contrary opinions on some elements of your article.

    My individual plan has been canceled by my HMO every single year and I’ve been forced to pick from a list of plans that all provide a reduced set of benefits for (of course) a higher price. Every year for the past five years. I wish I could keep the plan I had five years ago, let alone the one I had this year. At least with the ACA I know I will be able to buy a plan rather than being denied for pre-existing conditions. Yes everyone’s current plans are being canceled, but at least this time it is so society can derive the benefits of everyone having an option for coverage.

    Also think you are missing a point with innovation and and risk taking: with the ACA you are no longer dependent on your employer for coverage, so more should be willing to take risks to start new businesses. Losing employer coverage is a big reason potential entrepreneurs fail to strike out on their own today.

    • David Zion

      Not to be mean but you seem to say you have pre-exisiting conditions. So when you say there is an upside to society in many people having their plans cancelled, the upside is that you do not have a problem getting cheap insurance. Specific people are being hurt by ObamaCare (some more and some less (like everyone who has insurance as a result of the new medical device tax)) and some specific people, like you are benefiting.

      • pwjam

        I am not offended by courteous challenges and don’t take your remarks as mean-spirited. I’ve never personally had a problem with pre-existing conditions impacting my health coverage. I do think access to basic preventive health care (not a Cadillac or even Toyota plan, but just a high deductible plan with basic preventive visits covered) is something that should be available to everyone, and should be subsidized for the low income. With the state of the exchange website in my state I haven’t been able to tell if I am benefiting or not yet.

  • Fred

    Of course Obamacare will wreck our health care system. But that’s not a bug; it’s a feature. It is designed to wreck the system so it can be replaced at some point by a European style system. That was the intent all along.

  • David Zion

    There is no free lunch, no matter how much we all love free lunch. That is what it comes down to. If insurance companies have to insure (and not charge more) for a smoker who has lung cancer and were too busy getting piercings and tattoos when young instead of buying insurance (to use the least sympathetic case) then, guess what, the insurance of the healthy person has to go up. So you do not have any kids or they are older, you have to pay for your neighbor’s 24 year old stoner son’s insurance. Remember, that is only fair. Plus every insurance plan in the country will go up bc of the 2.3% tax on medical equipment.

  • Corlyss

    “What did the President know, and when did he know it?”

    I don’t know why such knowledge is necessary or useful at this point. We all know he lied or was uninformed. Either way, in a country where leadership mattered, he’d be out on his ear with last election. But incredibly the voters re-elected this diligent stupid man in Hammerstein-Equord’s matrix. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_von_Hammerstein-Equord

    What difference does it make to the realities on the ground? The dis-insuranced can’t sue him and his more diligent stupid advisors. The people knocked back to 30 hr work weeks can’t sue Max Baucus and Nancy Pellosi for restoration of their full-time jobs. This is all empty kabuki Washington finds so enthralling.

  • Matt B

    Obama didn’t lie. Lying requires you to make a statement that is contrary to what you know is true. I believe Obama made his statements without any concern for whether they were true or not. According to the philosopher Harry Frankfurt, that is properly called “Bull***t”.

  • Corlyss
  • lhfry

    “Like other truly talented phonies, Barack Obama concentrates his skills on the effect of his words on other people — most of whom do not have the time to become knowledgeable about the things he is talking about. Whether what he says bears any relationship to the facts is politically irrelevant.

    A talented con man, or a slick politician, does not waste his time trying to convince knowledgeable skeptics. His job is to keep the true believers believing. He is not going to convince the others anyway.”

    Analysis from Thomas Sowell: http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2013/08/27/a-truly-great-phony-n1673702/page/full

    That the press “does not have the time to become knowledgeable about the things he is talking about” is a grave failing.

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