Why Don’t Greens Like Shale?
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  • Greens began disliking NG as soon as it became inexpensive and available. Before then they liked it because they never thought it’d be a threat to windmills & unicorns. Now that it is, they are back in their Luddite shells.

    • f1b0nacc1

      Precisely right. Between the anticapitalists (who reject the notion that anyone should ever profit fromt anything) and the Luddites (who desparately long for a world free of those nasty machines and technology), the Greens will only embrace a technology that is guaranteed to be a) impractical; b) unprofitable; c) unavailable; and d) inadequate. Since Fracking has been shown to be none of those things (perfect it is not, but clearly it is quite suitable), they now oppose it.

      • Corlyss

        I love it. May I quote your four green criteria for energy?

        • f1b0nacc1

          Of course…and thank you for your kind remark!

    • bigfire

      Greens supports any form of energy except the ones that works. It’s a religious dogma, so explaination isn’t necessary. Only obedience.

  • Pete

    Come on, Mr. Mead. you should know that, at the core of the movement, the Greens are anti-people, anti-development, and anti-industry.

    More than anything, the Greens want to push down America’s standard of living — for the hoi poli, of course, but not themselves.

    For the enviro-kooks, global warming was the pretext they tried to use to accomplish their hidden agenda.

  • Thirdsyphon

    There might be nobody formally speaking for the middle ground, but the middle ground outcome is what’s actually occurring, to the benefit of everyone concerned. The greens and NIMBYs have been able to stop shale oil extraction in the “blue” areas where their supporters are concentrated and hold political sway, which has had the effect of funneling additional investment capital into “red” states and communities that are ready to welcome this new industry with open arms.

    Everybody wins, no?

    • Corlyss

      Here’s what concerns me: 70% of the western US is owned by the Feds. If that translates to 70% of shale reserves as well, we’ll never get at that.

      • Joseph Blieu

        True but Nevada is not a shale play. Central CA valley and west CO are. Main deal is PA ND TX OH NY WV MI so hometown America owned by folks and States have the bulk of reserves. Such a remarkable source of wealth. Question is when it will be hyper taxed.

        • Thirdsyphon

          I think the answer to your question (in red and blue states alike, as it is all over the world), is “As soon as the energy companies have put in enough cash that they’re irrevocably committed.”

      • Thirdsyphon

        It’s hard to predict, but it’s unlikely that the Feds are holding 70% of the country’s shale reserves, for the reasons given by Joseph Blieu below. Even if they were, though, Presidents have historically been more generous than Barack Obama in handing out drilling permits.

        As far as the stuff sitting underneath state and private lands go, referring again to JB’s post, you can see that it’s a mixed bag. ND and TX are falling and will continue to fall all over themselves in their efforts to facilitate shale exploitation. NY and CA. . . . will not. The other states on that list are going to have pitched political battles over this issue for different reasons, with different outcomes that will mostly favor extraction. (For instance, in WV, the strongest political opponents to shale extraction could well turn out to be the coal lobby).

  • Corlyss

    “Greens used to like gas”
    That was when they were toasting each other that Peak Oil was in sight. Gas was to the Greens what Afghanistan was to Obama in 2007 – an excuse to sound like they would never disapprove of all war (or cheap energy), just the bad ones. Only the naïve believed them.

  • dankingbooks

    I think you missed one important factor. Fracking was developed completely outside the academy. It never had any professorial input, received any peer reviewed grants, nor got published in the Journal of Irrelevant Results. The Academy is a jealous god, and something that doesn’t bow obeisance engenders wrath.

    Since the Academy is ground zero for the environmental movement, then all else follows.

  • AnnSaltzafrazz

    Greens want expensive energy so people will use less. Part of this is misanthropy–believing that human beings are the root of all evil on Gaia, and that the last thing She needs is for people to be more successful and develop and destroy the earth further.

  • CygnusA81

    Well most Greens are Neo-Luddites who hate the modern world and what it has given us. They want people (well expect for them) to live in a pre-industrial time period. That and they want complete control over the economy.

  • Tom Servo

    Another big problem for the greens is that somewhere along the way, they realized “OH NOES! Oil and Gas companies are going to make money from this!” Since the oil and gas industry has become the Great Satan of the enviro-world, this was an absolutely unacceptable outcome.

    The greens have much in common with the old Russian peasant who was approached by the angel Gabriel one day, and told “I have a great blessing for you! Ask anything you want, and it will be given to you! The only condition is that for whatever I give you, your neighbor will get a double measure.”

    The Russian thought about the proposition carefully, and finally said “Make me Blind in one eye.”

  • Ken Moon

    You say “landowners own the mineral rights to the resources directly under their property and drillers compensate them for access to shale energy”.

    That is not necessarily true in California (I don’t know about the other states). In California, the ability to control ownership of and access to mineral resources is separated from ownership of real estate, such as land. Each can be sold independently of the other.

    Many homeowners don’t know whether or not they own the mineral rights to the land beneath their houses, until someone rolls up in a truck and tells them they are going to set up some equipment on the surface to access the minerals they own underneath the house.

    There are state agencies, as well as the federal BLM, who can assist homeowners to determine if they own the rights to minerals, including gas, under their property, and what to do if the above situation occurs. There are also law firms who take this sort of case, and can help the homeowners.

  • gekkobear

    You mean it lets the poor have cheap energy, electricity, and heating?

    Horrible, how dare someone lessen costs on the poor; we must find a way to make them suffer; for the good of the planet.

    *Posted from my iPhone inside my McMansion*

    Let them eat cake?

  • crosspatch

    Can someone give me an example of a “non-polluting renewable”? A wind turbine requires the opening of a copper and rare-earths mine to produce the wiring and magnets for the generator. Solar requires a semiconductor plant. There is no such thing as a non-polluting renewable.

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