But They Are Anti-Zionists, Not Anti-Semites
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  • Joe Citizen

    What a moronic comment. Are you trying to imply that it is simply not possible to oppose the “greater Israel” policy project of the Israeli rightwing without being an anti-semite?

    This is just more of what has become the norm these days – taking the overuse of the “racism” charge as a model for how to counter legitimate criticism of Israel. Ay discussion of Israeli issues that isn’t pure support for the extreme right opens one to charges of being the equivalent of a nazi SS member.

    Screw you people.

  • RedWell

    Wow, Joe Citizen, chill out. You’re in danger of embodying the kind of reactionary anger occupied only by those on the “extreme right.”

  • Boaz Simovici

    If you lived under a regime that would arrest, torture or even kill you and your loved ones for the crime of allowing yourself to be rescued by an Israeli (thus becoming a zionist by osmosis), you might have behaved the same way.

  • Kris

    [email protected], what a moronic comment. Are you trying to imply that being opposed to the Israeli “extreme right” or legitimately criticizing Israel makes one an anti-Zionist?

  • Micha

    This is not really a good example of antisemitism disguised as anti-zionism. Not that there’s any shortage of good examples. This is just not one of them.

    Although, I think part of the problem with this issue is that it gives license to all sorts of stupidity by setting a very low bar on criticism against Israel or Israelis. People can say things that are wrong, ill-informed, stupid, hypocritical, ignorant, hate-filled, prejudiced, malicious, dishonest, etc. and then come out and say: “hey, we’re not antisemites.” It’s actually a neat trick, whenever someone says something stupid or ignorant or hate-filled about Israel (and there are many), they preemptively come out and say: “I bet you’re going to accuse me of antisemitism now.”

    Moreover, I have to ask, if someone says that they don’t hate all the Catholics, only Irish, not all the Christians, just the American ones, not all the Hispanics, only the ones living in the US, wouldn’t that be considered bigotry too? When it comes to Jews/Israelis it is presented as the essence of open-mindedness.

  • Joe Citizen:

    If by “extreme right” you perhaps mean “the right to even so much as exist”, much less the myth of the “Greater Israel” project, then yes, I suppose many supporters of Israel inside and outside that tiny nation (almost already bisected in half) are “extreme.”

    The so-called “palestinians”, who never comprised a real historical nation, have NEVER admitted that Israel even as a right to exist, and that once in power and vanquished to the sea, all remaining Jews will be slaughtered or come under the rule of Islamic law in the new “Palestine”.

    Gosh, good thing that’s not “real” anti-Semitism! *whew*

    I sternly oppose, for example, my own town getting hit by rockets–day in and day out–by the Sons of Allah and their wondrous ways of love and peace and harmony. I guess that makes me an “Americanist” and “extreme” and unwilling to do a hippy-dippy dance on the “legitimate” calls from radical nuts to kill me and slaughter my children.

    Like the Israelis having to tolerate rocket attacks for decades on end while the world and the UN yawn and sip cognac in Brussels, I think I’ll risk being called names and remain addicted to breathing in my own land. And remember, the original PLO Charter did NOT claim that the “West Bank” or “Gaza” were part of “Palestine”–the goal was Israel’s destruction–not peace. Now they wish to have the whole enchilada, and so I guess this means the P.A.’s remaining call to have Tel Aviv and Jerusalem added to the WB and Gaza and “Palestine” means peace must be on the way, and that the horrid Israeli blockade to prevent weapons from being funneled into Gaza is evil all the more!

    Then “extremist” it shall be.

    So be it.

  • (As I’ve often suspected) I must be a moron – or wicked – because I found nothing moronic whatsoever in Via Meadia’s comment.

    No doubt those two unfortunate Iranians were in the middle of a calm, even-handed discussion of Israeli-related issues. And then along come two Israelis tourists who rescue them in a judgmental way that makes them feel like Nazi SS members. Gee, do you suppose the Israelis would have even attempted to save them had they KNOWN they were Iranian?

    Via Meadia has very commendably supplied the dots. All we need do is connect them.

  • Jacksonian Libertarian

    His parents named him Nimrod? Poor [gentleman], he has my sympathies.

  • Kris

    [email protected], beware! for he is a mighty hunter.

  • Micha

    The name Nimrod does not have the negative connotation in Secular Israeli Hebrew that it does in English, But it has a different negative connotation among ultra-orthodox Jews.

  • Joel

    Persia’s Shia Moslems have a long, deep enmity toward Jews, who they believe are ritually impure. As late as one hundred years ago, a Jew could be beaten to death for going outdoors during rain and snow. The rain might run off a Jews feet and transmit his impurity to a Moslem.

    Old habits, I would venture to say, die hard.

  • Boaz Simovici

    As an Israeli, my experience with Iranians (many of them only recently emigrating to the U.S.) is that they are generally not prone to anti-semitism or anti-zionism. They’re much like the Kurds and some Lebanese in that regard. Actually, Israelis and Persians tend to attract one another.

    Like the Lebanese, however, the Iranians face likely legal sanction (if not immediate extortion, arrest or worse) and even destruction upon the discovery that they associate with Israelis. And they’re aware of this fact, much as they’re aware of the totally insane and unfathomably paranoid behavior of their regime on the matter of Israel. So that’s the bottom line: we can’t know that their motive in this case wasn’t basic self-preservation.

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