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Trump Rediscovers an Old Form of Governance
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  • Frank Natoli

    And these deals often involve crony capitalism and various “incentives” that give pause to people who value logical public administration.
    Funny. Anybody at TAI wringing their hands over mass transit or light rail boondoggles across the fruited plain? No, didn’t think so. This only happens when it’s private industry under the TAI microscope.

    • Tom

      Actually, TAI’s been freakng out over the California rail scheme off and on for the past several months.

  • Dhako

    If Obama had forced (or financially had incentivized a private company) just to keep its workers in Rust-Belt USA, at least for the sake of jobs, we would have heard no end of complain against it by the Republican party and its “political outriders” in the right-wing’s media. And in fact, there would be congressional hearing by now, just to see how much of US’s tax-payers money have been sunk in this deal by Obama’s administration.

    Hence, that the likes of Wall-Street will probably be quiet about it, and indeed the Congressional Republican leadership as well as the budget-hawks in the Tea-Party’s faction in Congress, are mums the word about it, shows you the kind of deeply and cynical partisanship that came over the US. And you really want to world to believe this putrid and dysfunctional politics of US, to be anything other than what it really is. Good luck with that.

    • JR

      Well, if you wrote concisely, we would have you telling us how horrible the US is. Instead, you write long essays which nobody reads. How are we supposed to know how bad US is without shining lights such as yourself?

    • RealityCheck

      What political paradise are you from?

      • Andrew Allison

        The Peoples Republic of China, as if you didn’t know.

    • Kevin

      Sure thing the Republicans would have complained. But Hillary would also be President Elect.

    • QET

      You’re probably right. On the other hand, Republican carping aside, had Obama done such things, Hillary would now be President, and the Democrats would likely have a Senate majority if not a House majority.

      • JR

        in short, if Democrats were the complete opposite of who they are, they would actually have a governing majority. 🙂
        Can’t say that I disagree.

        • QET

          Well, as many others have observed already, this sort of thing is precisely what the Democrats as a party used to do all the time. There was a time when the Democrats understood that working-class Americans prefer their “welfare” in the form of supports that keep their jobs intact rather than just straight handouts from the federal Treasury. Nowadays the Democrats concern themselves almost solely with policing the speech and thought of the nation. NYT and WaPo op-ed writers and college faculty think this is how enlightened societies behave.

          • JR

            And you know what is the best part of it, the absolute BEST part? They haven’t learned a thing. They exist in a closed information loop and are thus not only are they unable to exit it, they are unable to comprehend those who are not in the same closed information loop. Makes me happy it does.
            Although in the long run it makes me a little bit sad, since we need two national political parties to function.

          • Andrew Allison

            Don’t worry. It is the nature of things that power corrupts (overreaches).

        • Proud Skeptic

          This is where they point out that the Democrats HAVE a majority and if it weren’t for the electoral college…blah, blah, blah.

          • JR

            Democrats have the coasts. Those coasts are densely populated. Everything else is not really their country. Hillary’s popular vote lead in LA country is 1.5 million. We should let LA elect our President? Those Leftwingers who believe it really are out of their minds.

    • Disappeared4x

      The difference between a government bail-out, and a persuasive dialog with a CEO, is the difference between fiscal conservative outrage and applause.

    • Beauceron

      Your bitter tears are delicious, desu. So full of salt.

  • Beauceron

    Look, I am not a huge Trump fan.
    Wasn’t before the election, voted third party, and consider myself still skeptical– although not amongst the “He Can Never Do Right” crowd (which includes 90% of the media).
    But this is a very good thing and should be applauded by all.

    • Proud Skeptic

      Ditto here. I voted for Trump because the conventional wisdom was that Hillary was going to clobber him. I voted for him in order to close the gap by one vote.

      While I have a REAL hard time with his tweets and such, but I have enjoyed watching him put his cabinet together. On top of that, he has already done better in negotiations than Obama did in eight years.

      I think I’m starting to understand the guy. Maybe some day I will actually like him.

      • Disappeared4x

        Helps to read Scott Adams’ (creator of Dilbert) blog to understand Trump as Master Persuader. Helped me realize Trump’s Tweets were throwing Political Correctness right back at those who can only reflexively chant their deplorable labels.

        These are Adams’ new blog posts:

        http://blog.dilbert.com/post/153775344216/the-trump-talent-stack

        http://blog.dilbert.com/post/153865618451/the-idea-you-are-least-likely-to-believe
        It also helped that I understand business-speak, which is a Yuge! problem for pundits and politicians who are not so multi-lingual.

        • Proud Skeptic

          I read it.

          • Disappeared4x

            ok. well then, all I have is my theory on the Voice, predicting Trump win in May: whose voice do you want to invade your home for 4 years?
            fwiw, I was more with the Flight 93 Election, and, preference for looking at Melania for four years…now all the Trumps need is a puppy. My vote goes to Wisconsin’s State Dog: American Water Spaniel https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a7e1bb0e913a17c8d43146f1ec58a5021b766d1c0f0f1c59b585711344e2ba36.jpg

          • Proud Skeptic

            Every dog I have ever owned was a pound puppy. I take pot luck!

          • Andrew Allison

            As, apparently, has the USA [grin]

          • Disappeared4x

            Thought of corgis, because DJT’s mother loved the Queen.
            Decided a Trump puppy has to be an American breed, and the Water Spaniel seemed a better choice than a Rat Terrier or any hound…plus it was Wisconsin that was the win.
            I think Barron will need a dog when he moves to the WH. Confess I want that to be a collie, but heard DJT is not a fan of shedding. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d1db4294bbac509a5e521c2f85a54e311dff4a7020c9bc7833ba20592c5e2fd8.jpg

          • Andrew Allison

            I was actually referring to the President-elect (as in not part of the incestuous elite which has been governing us for too long). Isn’t he cuddly enough for you [grin]

          • Disappeared4x

            AA – have not cuddled anyone for a year, which is why I am thinking of dogs.

            Humans are too treacherous, which is why I believe the children of America need Lassie back in their lives. You can not even buy a dvd of the old tv show!, but every episode had same three lessons:
            Timmy: Always tell the truth. Always be helpful.
            Lassie: save the day!

          • f1b0nacc1

            If DJT doesn’t like shedding, corgis are out. Ours shed their own body weight every 15 minutes or so…

          • Disappeared4x

            did not know corgis shed so much. Please do not shave yours, lest they look like the show Poodles. They are so smart, so why do they allow humans to do this? Extra bacon? French-ness? :
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c8e933685650346e8690fa05612d3075f655c2f8cd62f0d30fa1bf76aa8ff08b.jpg

          • Disappeared4x

            Ten days later, and it is Patton the Goldendoodle, a low-shedding Labrador-Poodle breed, as the favorite for the Trump WH.

            I thought of a Labradoodle (same breed, more colors) first, but thought an all-American breed would be better. However, the American Water Spaniel IS a bit small for this very tall First Family.

            Patton will be an excellent choice, even if the eruption over ‘too many generals’ re-erupts.

            Here is Goldendoodle Patton: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cd746f3917457cbc29be3e86a773713b616284b0ba5d9ac235fd647e083124b1.jpg

            Seeing the two dog photos here, maybe Patton will need an American Water Spaniel companion to retrieve their toys?

          • f1b0nacc1

            Look at that face….how could you not love that dog….

          • f1b0nacc1
          • Andrew Allison

            Queen Elizabeth envy? Sorry, but it was irresistible [grin]

          • f1b0nacc1

            Hey, the corgis REALLY run the place….Betty Windsor is just there as a beard…

          • Disappeared4x
          • f1b0nacc1

            Yes, very sweet and very sad…..

          • Andrew Allison

            Thank you for that! I hope that you’ve watched “The Crown”. Died-in-the-wool US citizen that I am, I remain a subject.

          • Jim__L

            It’s amazing how popular royalty can get, if they don’t collect taxes from you.

            They might try that in England, if the throne ever seems in dire threat of being “excess to requirements”.

          • Andrew Allison

            Not going to happen any time soon, even if the idiot son ascends the throne. Will & Kate have revitalized the British monarchy.

          • ljgude

            Corgi! Corgi! Good! Good!

  • JR

    First, Trump was an idiot that cared about those stupid white blue-collar workers. Then he was an idiot who promised to help them. Now he is an idiot because he is actively trying to help them. I bet he will be described as an idiot at his second Inauguration as well.

    • Proud Skeptic

      You forgot to mention that before all that he was an idiot who made a billion dollars!

      • Jim__L

        I thought he made two — one of which he lost.

        There’s a lesson in there somewhere. Or maybe a Rorschach test.

        • Proud Skeptic

          Better to have made two billion and lost one of them then to never have made one at all.

          • Jim__L

            Apparently a plurality of Americans agrees with that take. = )

    • ——————————

      He has been an ‘idiot’ since he announced his run for the presidency.

      He has a beautiful young wife, raised a great family, is a multi-billionaire, has the energy of a 20 year old, and is president of the United States…what an idiot!

  • Anthony

    Trump discovers an old form of governance – public jawboning! Could this be TAI’s contribution to a little post-election confirmation bias utilization for the avid 46.8% WRM?

    A more contextual view of economics and politics: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-11-29/trump-s-disastrous-pledge-to-keep-jobs-in-the-u-s “On Thanksgiving, Trump claimed to be negotiating with Carrier Corporation to forestall plant closure and keep jobs in the United States. Expect a Trump victory, as the parent company of Carrier, United Technologies, is one of the nation’s largest Military Contractors. Bernie Sanders has already advised Trump to use these defense contracts as a means of leverage. (Tyler Cowan)

  • jsdozcn9

    “Trump Rediscovers An Old Form of Governance”

    “Occasionally reaching out to do a good deed for somebody “ordinary” and “insignificant” is one of the ways that rulers good and bad down through the millennia of human history have communicated with the people they rule.”

    An important point here is not just communicating with ordinary people but communicating with business leaders to find out how the government is obstructing economic activity and then trying to change the government to get out of their way. This is something a liberal without business experience would be unlikely to do because in their minds businesses are evil entities that are the source of the problem. In reality, the government is the source of the problem and a businessman like Trump knows that.

    • Jim__L

      Unfortunately a businessman like Trump can also see “problems” as “opportunities”… We’ll have to see where he lands on the subject of graft, of the dishonest or the “honest” variety.

      http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5030/

      I really, really hope that someone can prevail upon him to realize that he will now be in the history books, and his fame or infamy will rest on whether he avoids the temptations of enriching himself or his cronies.

  • FriendlyGoat

    This is good news for the particular workers in the particular Indiana plant. Undoubtedly, it went something like this. Gov. Pence saw to it that everything Indiana could give was given. The Trump team said to Carrier —-sorry it’s your unlucky day to be the proposed relocation case coinciding with my election—-but that makes you the poster child. #1) You should play ball with us now because we are going to give you and all corporations SO MUCH more than you ever dreamed possible from the federal level that you won’t even miss your Mexico savings, and 2) If you make me look like a failure after I have announced negotiating with you, I’m gonna trash your brand in return.

    • JR

      Looks like President Trump made idiots of all the Left-wingers again. Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

      • FriendlyGoat

        No, because I’m not most of the time. I just told you the probable combination of factors which made this happen. You, being a practical sort of guy, would know that it didn’t happen from fairy dust.

        • JR

          Do you know what i think happened? Trump promised to hike their taxes so that way they could write-off the salaries of the people and…. OK, here I’m not sure how anything you say make sense. Despite your bottomless faith in your own abilities, your knowledge of economic is nil. You really don’t know what you are talking about.
          But to answer your question, they were offered tax breaks to stay and they wisely took them. Tax breaks kept the jobs, just like they are meant to do. Tax hikes kill jobs or move them to lower-tax locations, like they are meant to do. Your long-time assertions to the contrary are just wrong. Its not how the world works.

          • FriendlyGoat

            Yes, they were offered state incentives—-which have been vaguely acknowledged but not specified. Nobody seems to know what Carrier got and every other corporation in Indiana would now like to know what Carrier got and how to leverage the same for their companies.

            But the bigger factors are going to be the other three I mentioned.

          • JR

            Wow, you turned into a defender of corporations from the government. Wow!!! WOW!!!!!
            May I ask what have you done with the FG from 2008 to about a month ago. That FG was all about having the government dictate corporation’s every move and tax them up the wazoo!!!!
            But now that Trump is in power, you are all of a sudden a proponent of limited government??? Oh WOW!!!
            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
            I always knew your situational ethics would greatly amuse me, and you know what, I was totally right. This is AWESOME!!!

          • FriendlyGoat

            I didn’t say I approved of what happened at the state level—-although it’s good that those particular Indiana people are keeping their jobs. Curiously, the union representing those people has not been told what will be requested of it in this deal. The union probably does know that the election of Trump means a long-term assault on their bargaining, however.

            Basically what happened, I think, is pressure of the electoral moment on a particular company which happens to be a defense contractor. Trump, if crossed right now, is perfectly capable of retaliation with brand-damaging rhetoric and at the defense contracting level. Carrier knows all that. You do too.

          • JR

            I almost certainly hope President Trump will have an impact on union power. Making people pay someone to work is fundamentally unfair and should be abolished everywhere it can be. Thankfully we are seeing it happen more and more in America. And this is despite Obama making NLRB a union-owned enterprise. Hopefully President Trump will clean out that den of thieves. I mean, you didn’t really expect NRLB to be in your pocket forever, did you? I bet you did. I bet you did….
            As for Carrier, of course they realized that once Trump made it public like that, they had to stay. It’s called a bully pulpit for a reason. Is using it a bad thing now that Trump is President?

          • FriendlyGoat

            Well, if you’re now agreeing with what I first said, what are you here arguing for?

          • JR

            Wait, so you are saying government bullying corporations to help common folk is a bad thing now? I recall that not so long ago, your position was the exact opposite.

      • NH Indi

        Threatening/bribing a company planning to move does nothing but take dollars form somewhere else and give them to Carrier. So if we can just pay off companies to stay here we should be good? FG, for your part it seems you don’t credit the real positive impacts this deal has on individuals. I just watched Fox interview two Carrier employees who’s economic lives were saved by this deal. Anecdotes aren’t a rational driver of policy, but it’s powerful politically. My long ago econ courses said there are gains from trade for both sides. The gains are uneven. Almost as an afterthought, the professors would say “and the winners would compensate the losers.” I’ve always wondered how that was supposed to happen but that was never part of the course.

        • JR

          Alternatively, it can relax some onerous regulation and make it easier for companies to do business. All without threatening or bribing. I’m betting my entire net worth on the proposition that Trump the businessman would be more competent than Obama the community organizer. So far, both the stock market and Trump’s picks for AG, head of HHS and Treasury are telling me that my bet is working.

        • FriendlyGoat

          Did you read the first sentence of my opening comment? Of course I know this is a BIG DEAL for the 800 or so employees who will not lose a job. The question is how much it can or will be duplicated in light of YOUR opening two sentences and to what overall effect.

    • RedWell

      I also like the long list of caveats in this analysis, which basically indicate that this deal isn’t a great economic coup but just some smart PR.

      “This deal, and others which will no doubt follow, do not solve the problems of American blue-collar workers, and they won’t bring back the glory days of the manufacturing economy. And these deals often involve crony capitalism and various “incentives” that give pause to people who value logical public administration.”

      • FriendlyGoat

        Indeed. Some will quote the Carrier story all next year as proof Trump is fixing their careers even as he and the GOP Congress digs the rest of the working class a permanent sinkhole under their feet.

  • Andrew Allison

    Hmmm, so the Dems are completely out of touch and just re-appoint Pelosi and crew. The term death wish comes to mind.

    • Disappeared4x

      Dems can not abandon Identity Politics. They have invested 40+years in producing a new electorate without curiosity, critical thinking skills, or a unique signature.
      Pelosi Dems just waiting for everyone over 45 to die.

      • Andrew Allison

        Identity Politics and an electorate supposedly without curiosity, critical thinking skills are, as recently demonstrated, not synonymous.

  • christophergreen

    This is a style of governance that an old fashioned Democrat like Hubert Humphrey would have understood. The Democrats have moved so far away from that that their current leaders probably don’t even know who he was.

  • colleenaplin

    “The big news in Trumpland this morning”.

    – No, it is news in, and for, America (and Americans), which I believe you should care about, along with everyone else, unless you are a sociopath.

    – There is also a bigger issue regarding tax and regulatory reform, which means Ford and Carrier are just the start, but from what I see in this place a lot of you are the real authoritarians (big govt and central planning, via. so-called “experts”).

  • Angel Martin

    Obama has done deals like Carrier – he just has different priorities:

    http://freebeacon.com/issues/obamacare-pressures-insurers-sex-change/

  • K. E.

    Trump did what he could to save jobs. He has no authority yet to change tax law or business regulations, so he used the tools he had at hand. And I think that is quite incredible.

    Obama has many many tools at his disposal plus the power of the presidency and has for 8 years. He chose to use none of them to save jobs, and, in fact, did things to hurt jobs. That should be the story here.

    Trump is showing how it should be done even before he gets in office. The help that they extended to Carrier will result in a huge pay off to the state of Indiana in the form of millions of dollars in taxable wages, plus sales tax and property tax paid by these employed workers. To say this was ‘crony capitalism’ fails to understand the benefit of people being employed…much bigger amount of money than some tax breaks to make business more affordable.

    Just wait until January 20, 2017 when Trump has some actual power. It will be incredible.

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