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Why the Gun Control Push Is Futile
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  • Andrew Allison

    It’s noteworthy that the liberal venom hurled at people who oppose further gun control measures failed to note that this look like a terrorist attack. As you point out, the evidence that there are radical Muslims among us is overwhelming, and a good argument for Second Amendment rights. I should perhaps add that I am not a gun-owner (yet).

    • Jim__L

      Um, if this merely “looks like” a terrorist attack, what sort of line would have to be crossed before you would say that it is in fact a terrorist attack?

      • Beauceron

        It doesn’t “look like” a terrorist attack. It was a terrorist attack. Not sure why you have such a hard time looking at that squarely (well, I am pretty sure).

        • Jim__L

          I’m right there with you — this was a terrorist attack. I was curious what Andrew would consider one.

          • Enemy Leopard

            I read Andrew’s comment with an implicit “…at the time the story broke.” The networks initially played up a workplace violence angle, at least until that version was overwhelmed by the facts.

      • Andrew Allison

        Irredeemable racial profiler that I am [grin] there was little doubt in my mind that it was a terrorist attack when I saw the names of the culprits. The point which I attempted, obviously unsuccessfully, to make is that the anti-gun crowd completely ignored this.

  • Jim__L

    Can you imagine how Obama’s gun rhetoric is likely to play in the “Obama is a Muslim and he wants the Muslims to win” crowd?

    “They’re attacking us and now he wants to take our guns away so we can’t defend ourselves.”

    Wow. I mean, wow. This could go straight to hell in a number of nightmare scenarios.

    • Beauceron

      That’s a pretty small crowd– although I suspect, in your mind, you’ve built it up to be be half the population.

      I despise the man, but not becauseI think he’s muslim.

      • Jim__L

        … No, I don’t think it’s half the population. But I think they exist, and that Obama isn’t capable of enough understanding of their worldview that he’s doing and saying some really, really stupid things.that are going to be taken in a very bad way.

    • iconoclast

      Obama’s AG certainly hasn’t helped with her comments about “a wonderful opportunity” and a stated willingness to pursue people for “edging towards violence” (whatever that is) in their speech. This woman makes John Mitchell sound temperate.

    • Andrew Allison

      “They’re attacking us and now he wants to take our guns away so we can’t defend ourselves.” is, in fact, exactly factual.

    • Angel Martin

      there is a liberal group (claiming 14 million members) that is calling on Obama to declare a state of emergency and implement gun control by executive order.

      https://www.change.org/p/president-obama-halt-the-gun-violence-epidemic-today-by-declaring-a-national-state-of-emergency

      i don’t know how plausible it is that he would attempt to do this. I do note that at one time he did claim that any executive order for illegal immigration amnesty was impossible…

      i also note that Obama is “casting a wide net” and now looking for any and all executive authority to restrict access to guns.
      http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/la-na-obama-gun-group-20151204-story.html

      • Jim__L

        There’s a pretty significant difference between 14 million members and 1618 petition signatures (as of this writing.) That’s a relief.

        Anything Obama can do at this point can be undone by the next administration, fortunately. I hope that someone he trusts will take a stand against his hubris, to prevent things from spinning out of control.

  • Suzyqpie

    Citing concern for the safety of their citizens, the six countries of the GCC, Saudi, Kuwait, Oman, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar have refused to accept any Syrian refugees, according to Amnesty Int. There’s some display of Muslim concern for their Muslim brethren. Wherever the Muslims go there will be trouble, similar to the trouble in the countries that they departed…Islam is simply a humanitarian disaster. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/09/syrias-refugee-crisis-in-numbers/

  • CaliforniaStark

    The San Bernadino terrorist attack reaffirms and important point: “when seconds count, the police are minutes away.”

    The recent French terrorist attack in Paris, and the attempted terrorist attack on a crowded train near Thalys (prevented by the brave action of three Americans) show how worthless strict gun laws are in preventing terrorists from obtaining weapons. In the U.S., the jidahist inspired terrorist attacks have targeted locations where no one was likely to be armed. One has to wonder how different the outcome would have been in Paris or San Bernadino if one or more armed individuals had been present.

    • Beauceron

      But the whole point of the Left’s efforts to strip 2nd Amendment rights is that it won’t work anyway– it’s not designed to.

      The majority of gun violence isn’t in the occasional mass shootings that make the news, and which the Left is now trying to use as a crowbar to pry guns away from law abiding citiznes. It’s the day in and day out murders…and those are not, by and large, done by legal gun owners. Or by terrorists. Most of those occur in the black community. If you ever look at statistics about who the shooters are, it’s pretty shocking. But we pretend that it’s the NRA that’s the cause.

      The Left reminds me of a doctor treating someone who has head pain by insisting, against all evidence, that it’s really a stomach problem.

      • CaliforniaStark

        Below may be the statistics you might be referring to? (They are from a prior post):

        “The murder rate per 100,000 in the United States in 2010/2012 was 19.4 for African-Americans; 2.5 for Anglos; 5.3 for Hispanics.Approximately 75% of U.S. homicides are gang-related; approximately 90% of African-Americans who were victims of homicide were killed by other African-Americans.”

        Sadly, believe San Bernadino will be the first of a multitude of jidahist inspired attacks.

        • Jim__L

          I’m curious whether we’re going to see more situations like the one in Texas where would-be jihadis are foiled by armed citizens.

          Not in California, probably. But you never know.

          • iconoclast

            The people in Garland, TX had an advantage in that they could reasonably expect Islamists to show up. Also the event had an off-duty police officer handling security and it was him who shot the two Islamists.

            I am not sure if the SB killers wore body armor (some reports state they may have been wearing armor) but two Islamists equipped with bombs, rifles, ammo, and armor are a qualitatively different than virtually any crazy or criminal. It may be that armed civilians need specialized training too (generally we don’t have to think a whole lot about cover vs concealment but if your opponent has a medium-power rifle you need to think about it more).

          • CaliforniaStark

            Agree that proper training and extensive practice are important for any civilian who owns a gun. In Garland the off-duty-officer was able to put down the two terrorists with his service weapon, a Glock handgun. The terrorists had body armor and were shooting at him with assault rifles.

          • iconoclast

            I had never read that the Islamist terrorists in Garland wore body armor. That information should be promulgated.

          • Jim__L

            Well, at that point the proper thing to do is set up more events like that to flush potential Islamist shooters out of their cover — battleground of one’s own choosing, and all.

          • iconoclast

            So true. Islamists are dumb, when you get right down to it. Let’s use that stupidity for our benefit

  • Fat_Man
  • iconoclast

    I am surprised that a year and a half after the Boston Bombing people can go into Macy’s and purchase pressure cookers without any background check whatsoever.

    • Andrew Allison

      Good one! I hope our fellow TAI junkies get that you are nailing the utter stupidity of the “more control” lobby.

    • LizardLizard

      Lol. You can probably buy bags of fertilizer too. And clock-making kits!

  • Pete

    Not gun control but muslim control; border control; immigration control.

    • John Stephens

      Liberal control, do that first and the rest of our problems are easy to solve.

  • Jacksonian_Libertarian

    I wonder what the survivors of the San Bernardino Islamic Terrorist attack would say if offered a pistol and a concealed carry license?

  • rheddles

    Joseph Story died in 1845. Perhaps someone else edited the 1890 edition of the commentaries of Marshall’s understudy.

  • stevegerow

    It’s spelled: “San Bernardino” – like “Bernard”

    • rheddles

      But it’s pronounced without the r in most cases. Soon we’ll be seeing Febuary at TAI. Sort of the do your own thing New English they teach at Bard. And don’t get me started on nucler.

      • LizardLizard

        Shoulda spent more time in the liberry. Get the pitcher?

        • rheddles

          I was axing for that.

  • Blackbeard

    “Why the Gun Control Push Is Futile”

    It’s not futile at all if you understand the true purpose which, of course, has nothing to do with preventing violence. We have a president whose first thought, whatever happens, is how can this politicized to the advantage of the left? In this case the obvious proximate cause is Obama’s absurd and failed policies in the ME. To avoid this conclusion Obama and his media cheering sections immediately, before the investigation even starts, try to shift the blame to Republicans. It’s not terrorism it’s the 2nd Amendment, it’s global warming, it’s Islamphobia. It may all seem ridiculous to the readers here but I assure you that among my liberal friends it’s quite effective.

    And don’t assume that the 2nd Amendment is secure. If Hillary become president, as seems likely, and serves two terms which is also likely, she will almost certainly name two, and possibly three, Supreme Court Justices. Goodbye 2nd Amendment for starters.

    • Nevis07

      What’s truly concerning to me is that this new ‘flavor’ of shooting spree, gives Obama a new tactic of using fear against people who are not in favor of gun control. The left’s new argument is that there are lots of guns in America and they’re easily purchased legally – but now, Islamic terrorists can get those guns just as easily. Nevermind that he and his administration are the ones responsible for this but he’s happy to use fear against us. His comments and those comments of Democratic candidates since the incident make me more inclined to go out and buy a gun before I’m told it’s illegal to, but I’m not certain that everyone will have that same reaction. Some of the independents will ultimately swing to the left, out of fear of terrorism in a country with easily accessed guns.

      • Johnathan Swift Jr.

        Its never the individual who is responsible, but an inanimate object or the person’s “troubled background.” Only their political enemies are responsible for their actions, both en masse or individually, never those they have sympathy for and make to mistake about it, the left has sympathy for Jihadists. You are correct that every opportunity to rid Americans of their rights will be pursued.

  • ljgude

    Blackbeard’s comments about how easy it would be for a Clinton administration to disable the second amendment through the Supreme Court is realistic. I believe that could well happen. However I think going against the beliefs of two thirds of the public is a dicey proposition – even for the Supremes. I think Paris and San Berdoo have clicked the ratchet a couple of more notches toward public recognition that the narrative that terrorism has nothing to do with Islam is simply not true. That recognition builds under the radar every time one of these things happens and does not go down. These latest two have a different feel to me – there is always an element of surprise but few are shocked any more. It is interesting that the President and the media didn’t go all in on ‘workplace violence’ this time around even though the opportunity to spin it that way was certainly present. I think they are smart enough to know you can only get away with that once – they too hear the pawl click home in the ratchet. So they are trying to make gun control the issue, and as several commenters have pointed out this is going to make a lot of ordinary people want to get concealed carry permits. Indeed the very ordinariness of a group of social service is part of the chilling effect and moreover these workers whose ethos, I think it is safe to say, would be more pro gun control than your average citizen. Even in Texas or Montana. The soldiers killed at Ft Hood were about as far as you can get from social service workers, but if I were a social services worker in a ‘must issue’ state I’d be having second thoughts about the second amendment. I’ll speculate here that ISIL may be too fanatical to see the advantage of staying quiet until after the election and, indeed, given their calls for free lance and lone wolf attacks it may be too late for them to stop.

    • LizardLizard

      Just hope they don’t succeed in putting Donald Trump in the White House. Time for a second look at Christie?

      • ljgude

        Christie is all right with me and so is Rubio because I tend to be a centrist but I think a serious Muslim attack would tend to put Cruz into the White House not Trump or any centrist. If you look at all the candidates in both parties I think Cruz is the one with the real potential to be a war leader. Trump to me is just a rerun of the Eastern Intellectual Establishment – this time as farce. And I say that as a child of that establishment who sees WRM and AI about the best of what is left of it.

  • Nevis07

    Let’s play a game. Which of these statements did President Obama make regarding the San Berandino shooting?:

    a) “We see the prevalence of these kinds of acts of mass shootings in this country”
    b) “We should never think that this is just something that just happens in the ordinary course of events because it doesn’t happen with the same frequency in other countries.”
    c) [pattern of U.S. mass shootings] “has no parallel anywhere else in the world.”
    d) “This was a terrorist act by Islamists. We should take this event and that of Paris to heart and reconsider our refugee and immigration policies as a result.”

    Answer: Comically, he said a, b, and c. Tragically, I had to write “d” all on my own…

  • LizardLizard

    The less secure people feel in their own homes, the more they will want guns. The less people feel their government is looking out for them, the more they will want guns. The more the government says “don’t worry, we are carefully vetting potential immigrants from Muslim countries”, the more people will want guns. Why is this difficult for our Dear Leader to understand?

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