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  • Beauceron

    Well…they’re support staff. They are not fighting and will not fight.

    It’s too late for Europe to awake. The deed is done, the demographics will tell the story. The current problem is just the first wave. What happens when Yemen runs out of water? The younger people there, in their millions, will head to Europe. Egypt is massively overpopulated and drowning in corruption, poor management, economic stagnation and occasional violence. The younger people there, in their millions, will head to Europe. Europe is going to be getting tens of millions of more muslim immigrants over the next two decades. Many of them will remember this…shall we call it an “intervention”? In any case, as with any and all Western actions, the Leftist professoriate, along with their allies in the middle east and Islamic circles, will soon enough paint this as an imperialist, colonialst, racist effort. Oh, it’s Islamophobic too. The new Europeans will remember that.

    So, the future of Europe is Islam. Nothing can be done about it, really.

    The West is dead, murdered by our own Left. At least in the US I might be able to get ahold of a Corona.I myself am trying to enjoy some Shakespeare while I can, as I suspect even he (dead, white, patriarchal, racist that he is) will be banned soon enough.

    • Jim__L

      Europe as it exists now is doomed, anyway. I wouldn’t say that any given future is inevitable yet, though. Europeans are waking up in interesting ways.

      History is not over.

      • Andrew Allison

        Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

        • Jim__L

          Which past are you referring to? The Roman Empire, with the barbarians at the gate? What’s Arabic for “Volkswanderung”?

          Or how about Kipling’s verse…

          On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
          (Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
          Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
          And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “The Wages of Sin is Death.”

          The fact is that Muslims remember how to have children and Europeans don’t. Maybe hewing to traditional culture means an adequate respect for family life (and motherhood), or maybe specific modern mores (encapsulated in third-wave feminism — women working to the exclusion of family, promiscuity) are simply not consistent with a population that does not wither away.

          So maybe, those who cannot remember the past really can’t figure out what it means to have a durable human culture, and will disappear.

          • Andrew Allison

            “So maybe, those who cannot remember the past really can’t figure out what it means to have a durable human culture, and will disappear.” Yup.

          • Jim__L

            Our own Millennials aren’t doing very well in that respect either.

          • Andrew Allison

            Sadly, ‘Twas ever thus.

      • JR

        Agree completely. This is a classic free will vs. predestination argument and here I’m always and forever on the side of free will.

        • Fred

          I’d like to be, but cultural entropy is just as real as physical entropy. With all due respect to Beauceron, the left is a symptom, not a cause, of der Untergang des Abendlandes. Oswald Spengler was wrong about a lot of things, but he was right about two: civilizations have lifespans, and ours is near the end of its. Or as Spengler himself put it:

          Time does not suffer itself to be halted; there is no question of prudent retreat or wise renunciation. Only dreamers believe that there is a way out. Optimism is cowardice.

          We are born into this time and must bravely follow the path to the destined end. There is no other way. Our duty is to hold on to the lost position, without hope, without rescue, like that Roman soldier whose bones were found in front of a door in Pompeii, who, during the eruption of Vesuvius, died at his post because they forgot to relieve him. That is greatness. That is what it means to be a thoroughbred. The honourable end is the one thing that can not be taken from a man.

          • JR

            Dear Sire, I’ve always thoroughly enjoyed our conversations.I agree that this stage of Western civilization is over and we are living during the end times of its lifespan. But the end of our world doesn’t mean the end of the world. I still believe in TINA (there is no alternative) even if I believe, as you must as well, that there will be a whole lot of blood spilled to get us there. But then again, isn’t it the same as it’s always been and always will be. It is every generation’s unique conceit to imagine itself living under extraordinary circumstances, while in reality this is all just one continuous fight for survival. Until the time of the Messiah, if you are into that sort of thing.

          • Fred

            True, it was ever thus. Something always rises from the ashes of a collapsed civilization (If you haven’t read it, Yeats’ “The Second Coming” is probably the greatest poetic expression of Spengler’s view of history). And both the collapse and the rise are usually accompanied by bloodshed and the loss of everything good about the collapsing culture. That said, though, looking at the Middle East and the barbarian hordes invading Europe from there, I’m not terribly sanguine about what’s going to arise from the ashes of Europe. For us, it is the return of the Messiah, but point taken.

          • JR

            Franks, Gauls, Anglo-Saxon tribes, Vikings were all fierce warriors. Maybe we all got too fat, too comfortable, too superior. Maybe we need some fire lit up under us.

            When a man knows he is to be hanged…it concentrates his mind wonderfully.

          • Fred

            Possibly. Pearl Harbor certainly had that effect. On the other hand, look at the response to the Iranian hostage crisis. And the same nation that defeated the combined might of Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan couldn’t even summon up the will to defeat a bunch of stone age savages with IEDs after 911. And Europe is even further gone than we are.

          • Jim__L

            Despair is a sin for a reason. It saps the will and creativity necessary to keep hustling, even when all seems lost.

            Consider the Battle of Midway, where an outnumbered and outgunned America fleet faced the undefeated Japanese combined fleet. First salvo — submarine Nautilus took a potshot at destroyer Arashi, with no effect aside from sending it back to join with the fleet, and Nautilus fled. The last desperate sortie of Marine aviators from Midway island, most of whom were lost, only convinced the Japanese commander to batter Midway again before the landings could start (filling the decks with armaments and fuel lines.) The Devastators coming in at low altitude — all planes lost, and all but one pilot — pointless, yes?

            No. None of it was useless. The lost and disoriented Dauntless dive-bombers.followed the wake of the Arashi to find the fleet. As they started their attack, the Zeroes that destroyed the Devastators desperately but futilely clawed for altitude to defend their ships. The Dauntless’ bombs hit the decks filled with flammable and explosive materials… and in literally *five minutes*, three of Japan’s carriers were on their way to the bottom of the Pacific, defeating the undefeated and turning the tide of war.

            With all due respect to that Roman guard — **don’t just stand there.**

      • Beauceron

        While it’s true that no future is inevitable, you do have to look at what is going on and recognize the natural consequences of societal philosophies. Those on the Left have chosen (actively chosen) to kill the West and have been working at it assiduously for three or four decades now. Their efforts are just now starting to bear fruit. In the coming two decades those efforts will lead to dramatic shifts in demographics, in policies and laws, and the relationship between the governed and the rulers.

        If you believe in individual rights and liberties, if you value the traditional cultural and philosophical groundings of the West, you are going to have a very hard time of it, I think. It will be tough to watch.

        • Jim__L

          What in the world will they do when Sharia law spreads throughout their continent?

          • CapitalHawk

            They will convert to Islam. They are sheep and they are very good at doing what they are told.

          • Jim__L

            Only if all their hip friends are doing it. They’re lemmings, not sheep.

    • Andrew Allison

      “We say that the most dangerous criminal now is the entirely lawless modern philosopher. Compared to him, burglars and bigamists are essentially moral men; my heart goes out to them. They accept the essential ideal of man; they merely seek it wrongly. Thieves respect property. They merely wish the property to become their property that they may more perfectly respect it. But philosophers dislike property as property; they wish to destroy the very idea of personal possession. Bigamists respect marriage, or they would not go through the highly ceremonial and even ritualistic formality of bigamy. But philosophers despise marriage as marriage. Murderers respect human life; they merely wish to attain a greater fulness of human life in themselves by the sacrifice of what seems to them to be lesser lives. But philosophers hate life itself, their own as much as other people’s.”
      ― G.K. Chesterton, The Man Who Was Thursday: A Nightmare

      But if you really wish to understand the danger Europe faces, read “The Flying Inn”.

  • Gene

    Those positive poll numbers for military intervention will disappear 1 second after anything whatsoever goes wrong. To argue that there’s public support is frankly absurd.

    • Jim__L

      Remember “Deep Thoughts with Jack Handey”? There was one that went…

      “I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate.
      And I can picture us attacking that world because they’d never expect
      it.”

      This pretty much sums up the dystopia that Leftists are leading us into.

      • CapitalHawk

        • Jim__L

          A Tassie friend of mine showed me that last year. Brilliant!

  • Anthony

    America must pivot to Europe without this character: the pessimist – “I venture to say that what is bad in the candid friend is simply that he is not candid. He is keeping something back – his own gloomy pleasure in saying unpleasant things. He has a secret desire to hurt, not merely to help. This is certainly…what makes a certain sort of anti-patriot irritating to healthy citizens….But there is an anti-patriot who honestly angers honest men…He is the uncandid candid friend; the man who says I am sorry to say we are ruined, and is not sorry at all….”

    • Jim__L

      Would you call Churchill a pessimist? He certainly called out the pacifists and said what they considered “unpleasant things” at every turn.

      • Anthony

        The question is what would you call Sir Winston Churchill.

    • Tom

      Good Chesterton quote, but unfortunately your recommendation is impossible to follow.

      • Anthony

        Tom, thanks but we can try.

        • Jim__L

          That, or we can force the friend to drink hemlock for not bowing to the gods of the marketplace.

          • Anthony

            Reckless extrapolation.

          • Jim__L

            Only if university presidents resigning based on coddled student protest movements is an isolate incident.

          • Anthony

            Please, non sequitur let’s stop. Thanks.

          • Jim__L

            It’s all on the theme of “finding it difficult to take criticism.”

          • Anthony

            That’s your take (ascribed theme) and you are entitled to it; but, men imagine their minds have the command of language but it often happens language bears rule over their minds (in some instances). I’m unaware of discussion of criticism and am not entering one now. Again thanks but, in this case, no thanks.

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