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Iran's Lebanese Proxy
Hezbollah’s Looming War Crimes

With tensions heating up in the Middle East, and Iran’s proxies and clients already involved in several shooting wars, many reckon it’s a question of when, not if, Hezbollah and Israel fight another war. With that in mind, the Israeli military briefed the The New York Times earlier this week on a series of Hezbollah moves that will put civilians at risk:

Viewed from the air, Muhaybib looks like a typical southern Lebanese village — a cluster of about 90 houses and buildings punctuated by the minaret of a mosque and surrounded by fields.

But when the Israeli military trains its lens on that hilltop Shiite village close to the border, it sees nine arms depots, five rocket-launching sites, four infantry positions, signs of three underground tunnels, three antitank positions and, in the very center of the village, a Hezbollah command post.

[…] Maps and aerial photography provided to The New York Times by Israeli military officials this week illustrate, they say, that Hezbollah has moved most of its military infrastructure into the Shiite villages of southern Lebanon and around their perimeters. Israel says this amounts to using the civilians as a human shield.

When fighting does breaks out and civilian casualties inevitably result because Hezbollah deliberately placed military structures within these villages, it is Hezbollah that should be charged with war crimes. It’s a smart move on Israel’s part to be pointing this out early, though if history is in any guide, it won’t really move the needle in how any future conflict is covered.

And war is indeed likely to come again. Hezbollah is widely acknowledged to be a proxy for Iran; earlier this year an Iranian brigadier general and top Hezbollah leaders were incinerated by an Israeli rocket when they were caught scouting rocket positions near the Golan Heights.

Israel’s enemies have decided that making sure civilians get killed in full view of Western media, rather than fighting to victory, is one of their best strategies—and they may well be right. In making a briefing this detailed, Israel is surely sacrificing intelligence advantages—something other militaries would be loathe to do. One hopes, however, that briefings like this, presented in detail and in the calm light of day, will start to sway the propaganda tide.

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  • Dan Greene

    So the Saudis are killing large numbers of civilians in Yemen with their bombing–which naturally TAI is just fine with–but maybe, possibly, at some undefined point in the future, Hezbollah might, according to unidentified Israeli military briefers, hide weaponry around civilian populations.

    So we see all of TAI’s favored rhetorical/polemical techniques here:

    1. Highly selective (i.e., faux) human rights “concerns” that just happen to focus on Israel’s opponents while ignoring Israel and any state in de facto alliance with it.
    2. Reliance on self-serving Israel claims with absolutely no support from less biased sources
    3. Outright falsehoods: Hezbollah clearly has a strategic relationship with Iran, but it has never been a proxy.

    Hezbollah has its own Lebanon-oriented goals that are of peripheral interest to Iran. It’s like saying that Israel is a proxy of the US, when it’s quite clear that Israel pursues policies that are its own and, more often than not, run counter to US interests.

    Why worry about ongoing Saudi war crimes when you can divert attention to “looming” Hezbollah war crimes?

    • JR

      So when civilians die due to Hezbollah’s actions, it’s Israel’s fault. But when Israel shows material proof of civilians being used as shields BEFOREHAND, to avoid anyone saying these were staged, it’s Israel’s fault again. Sweet deal bro!!! I like it!!! I like it a lot!!!
      And we see all of your favorite techniques here as well:
      1) Making wild accusations as if they are facts that you wearily bestow on us. Because telling your enemies your intelligence is self-serving, how? Please be specific. What less biased source are you referring to? Do you expect Hezbollah to all of a sudden reveal their military positions? What is your criteria of a less biased source? I guess we would never know.
      2) Saying things that make a “what are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?”. While it may be clear to you that Hezbollah is not a proxy of Iran, people in Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Gulf States, Lebanon disagree with you. They all say it is an Iran proxy and treat and deal it as such. I guess they are just confused. So your outright falsehood is the daily reality of people who actually live in the Middle East.
      But don’t worry. While nobody cares about dead Muslims as long as they can’t be used to demonize Israel (as you so correctly pointed out), the second IDF starts defending its country, those concerns will quickly bubble to the surface.

      • Dale Fayda

        Excellent post.

        • Dan Greene

          What, in your view, makes it an “excellent post?”

          • Dale Fayda

            What made that and his next post “excellent” is that he metaphorically “took you to the woodshed” and reduced you to resorting to asinine name calling in response.

            “Bet you two are big fans of Murder, Inc as well”. Tom is right – you are slipping.

          • Dan Greene

            Please substantiate both your points. Neither one makes the slightest bit of sense.

          • JR

            Dan Greene is right and you are wrong. So says Dan Greene. Get it? Got it? Good.

          • Dale Fayda

            Yes, I see that now, sir. We are lucky to have Dan Greene and his gift of parsing pointless minutiae.

          • Dan Greene

            Glad you’re both straight on that. Now we’re making some progress.

      • qet

        I think Dan really believes that Hyman Roth was just a retired investor, living on a pension.

        • JR

          Hyman Roth always makes money for his partners. One by one, our old friends are gone. Death, natural or not, prison, deported. Hyman Roth is the only one left, because he always made money for his partners.

          The Eternal Jew…

          • Dan Greene

            Ah, the Meyer Lansky Fan Club at TAI. Bet you two are big fans of Murder Inc as well.

          • Tom

            And you’re part of the Julius Streicher fanfiction community. Sorry, mac, you’ve been slipping.

          • Dan Greene

            Have no idea what you are talking about. Hyman Roth WAS Meyer Lansky. Julius Streicher is irrelevant unless you can actually make a case for his relevance.

          • Tom

            You did not detect the sarcasm in the posts you blathered about. Given your usual incisiveness, this was not surprising.
            That you are incapable of determining Julius Streicher’s relevance in this matter is really, truly, and honestly not my problem.

          • Anthony

            Dan, your presence, obviously for some, irks (but your intellectual contribution broadens); your contravention of CW compels anguish perhaps to extent that casuistry and dialectic become handy instruments utilized to camouflage something other that your biting commentary elicits – as if an epithet disposes the phenomenon.

          • JR

            Since Dan Greene can’t or won’t answer my questions maybe you can tell us plebes how giving away military intelligence is self-serving, which sources will be considered less biased, whether something less than a written note from Iranian Supreme Leader will be considered enough for Dan Greene to entertain the notion that Hizbollah is an Iranian proxy/client/whatever word you want to use.
            What irks is not that somebody has situational ethics, but rather when they present their particular set of situational ethics as the Ultimate Truth that they are willing to bestow on others.

          • Anthony

            He certainly can write for himself regarding viewpoints but he, Jon Robbins and many others were norm @Via Meadia prior to capture (ideological) sans ideology – in respectful exchange of ideas.

      • Dan Greene

        I see you are utterly disinclined to address the amusing discrepancy between the ongoing civilian deaths in Yemen at the hands of the Saudis and the hypothetical, sometime-in-the-future, possible, theoretical, imagined, templated deaths in Lebanon predicted by unidentified Israelis.

        You can’t even bring yourself to mention it outright. Why is that????

        How many civilians have the Saudis killed in the last month? Many more than the current total of zero by Hezbollah recounted in this article. And where is TAI’s coverage of civilian deaths in Yemen? Nowhere, that’s where.

        >>”Making wild accusations as if they are facts that you wearily bestow on us.”

        What wild accusations are you complaining about?

        Finally, you tell me why you believe that Hezbollah is a “proxy” for Iran–don’t cite the unspecified claims of others. (What is a “proxy” anyway, just so we’re on the same terminological sheet of music?) And while you’re at it, tell me if you think that Israel is a proxy for the US.

        • JR

          How much do you care about civilians that are being killed by Iran-backed Houthinis? I care about as much about those killed by Saudis as you do about those guys. And given how much press coverage those deaths get from the world wide media, it appears that nobody actually cares that much or who is exactly killed by whom. So I don’t care about collateral damage in Yemen civil war, I don’t care about collateral damage accrued by residents of Gaza Strip that allow Hamas to fire rockets into Israel, and if there is some hypothetical future war with Hezbollah in Iran, and some civilians get killed from having their villages turned into rocket launching pads, I won’t care either. Either we care about all or none. Sorry I’m not able to muster the correct level of selective outrage that you seem to require.
          “What wild accusations are you complaining about?”
          Not complaining, merely pointing out your hypocrisy. This is what I wrote: “Because telling your enemies your intelligence is self-serving, how? Please be specific. What less biased source are you referring to? Do you expect Hezbollah to all of a sudden reveal their military positions? What is your criteria of a less biased source? ” You haven’t answered a single one of these questions. So you are making a claim that giving away military intelligence of your enemies TO your enemies is self-serving without bothering to explain how that is so. You also never answer a question of what is a non-biased source is in your opinion, since military satellite photos just don’t cut it. Dead kids killed by Hamas rocket in Gaza Strip were used against Israel during last war. Israel is fighting back by showing the world how entities fighting Israel embed military assets in civilian populated areas. What would you have them do? I mean, surely you wouldn’t want Israel baselessly accused, being the justice and truth seeker that you are.
          As for Hizbollah, there was an article in the Economist which called them Iran’s client. Is that word better suited for you? Which word would you prefer we use? And the claims by others are very specified. There have been countless Israeli intercepts of military hardware from Iran to Lebanon to arm Hizbollah. There has been numerous reports about Iran asking Hizbollah to support Assad’s regime in Syria, and Hizbollah doing it. So a proxy can be defined as somebody who is willing to fight other actors, state or otherwise at the behest of their master. So no, Israel is not US proxy. I’m not aware of any Israeli military action in Iraq or Afghanistan. Are you aware of any? Do tell.
          Saudis gave Lebanese military $7B aid and military equipment to increase the military’s influence vis-a-vis other armed entities in the region. Why do you think they did that?? So once again we have the case of whether we believe everyone else in the region or we believe Dan Greene. I’m going with everyone else. Sorry. You may not believe that Hizbollah is an Iranian proxy or a client or whatever word makes you feel better. You may also not believe 2+2=4, I don’t know. But you not believing it doesn’t negate the fact that everyone else does believe and is acting accordingly.
          I don’t really care about your pro-Iranian posturing or your anti-Semitism (it’s the JUUUUICE, always the JUUUICE). I just find your tone of wearisome competence, that you will just present your biases as truth in its last instance to us yokels so we can bask in it, to be a bit much sometimes.

          • Dan Greene

            >>”I care about as much about those killed by Saudis as you do about those guys.”

            So if you don’t care about actual civilian deaths in Yemen, then why do you not agree with me that TAI’s focus on potential civilian deaths in Lebanon is rank hypocrisy? It’s quite clear that TAI treats factions in the ME based almost solely on their relation to Israel, and this is a perfect example.

            If your point is that you couldn’t care less about civilian deaths whether in Yemen or Lebanon or elsewhere, then say so. Is that your point?

            >>”Either we care about all or none. Sorry I’m not able to muster the correct level of selective outrage that you seem to require.”

            You seem to have missed my point–willfully, it seems. It was I who originally made the point about the inconsistency of complaining about Lebanese civilians (who MIGHT be hurt in the future) while ignoring Yemeni civilians who are currently being killed. You have done nothing except reply to that original point.

            With regard to this scrap of Israeli military “intelligence.” We don’t know WHAT it represents. Israel has every incentive to create false accusations against its adversaries. No one has substantiated the claim in this article, so there is absolutely no reason to accept it at face value any more than we should accept the ludicrous claims submitted by Israel to the IAEA purporting to provide evidence of an Iranian nuclear weapons program. It’s always the same dishonesty from the Israelis.

            “Israel is fighting back…”

            Israeli civilians are of course being killed (on a very small scale) as well. But the problem is that Israel is one big ethnic cleansing project meant to subjugate the indigenous Arabs of Palestine (who constituted 92% of the total population of Palestine in 1917 when European Jews convinced the British to help them take control of the area and lay the groundwork for the ongoing ethnic cleansing.

            In short, it is the Palestinians who are “fighting back” against the theft of most of their land–not the other way around as you would have it in your peculiarly Orwellian brand of argumentation.

            “Proxy”

            Hezbollah has its objectives, and Iran has its. The word “proxy” is essentially meaningless as you use it. And really, what is some vague citation of The Economist supposed to tell us? But again, since you employ the term, I ask you, is Israel a proxy of the US?

            Finally, I demand an answer to this question: To what nation state is you loyalty–the US or Israel? And don’t equivocate in your answer!

  • Beauceron

    “When fighting does breaks out and civilian casualties inevitably result because Hezbollah deliberately placed military structures within these villages, it is Hezbollah that should be charged with war crimes.”
    Yeah, it SHOULD be…but let’s face it, it will not be. It SHOULD be the case that human rights organizations review Iran and Saudi Arabia as closely as Israel, it SHOULD be the case that artists who draw Mohammed have the same protections as those who make “art” like “Piss Christ”, it SHOULD be the case that Louis Farrakhan is banned from college campuses and not Army recruiters.
    But it’s not and it never will be. We are a rapidly decaying society. We have to face that and make allowances.

  • Dan Greene

    Hey JR,

    Here’s some recent rhetoric from the leadership of the state of Israel that we US taxpayers have to subsidize every day:

    “When faced with a question about Iran, Israel’s Defense Minister Moshe “Bogie” Ya’alon of Likud said that “in certain cases” when “we feel like we don’t have the answer by surgical operations” Israel might resort to “steps” like those the Americans resorted to in “Nagasaki and Hiroshima, causing at the end the fatalities of 200,000.'”

    So much whining when Ahmedinejad said that “the Israeli state should be erased from the book of time,” but where’s the interest when the Defense Minister of a state with over 200 REAL nuclear weapons makes the much more specific and credible threat of an attack on Iran entailing the potential deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iranians?

    Or how about this from the Israeli “Justice” Minister:

    The new Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked has also provided commentary which merits attention. Shaked has emphasized that “[t]his is a war. It is not a war against terror, and not a war against extremists, and not even a war against the Palestinian Authority. These too are forms of avoiding reality. This is a war between two people. Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people.”

    Yes, that’s it isn’t it? In the Israeli view, it’s the displacement and dispossession of one people–Arab Palestinians–by Jewish Israeli Ubermenschen. Israel, Sieg heil! It’s this kind of language that shows that the Zionist project was and is an ethnic cleansing project. Compared to the current crop of Likudniks, the father of Likudism, Vladimir Jabotinsky, was a meek moderate!

    “Then we also have Rabbi Eli Ben-Dahan, the new head of the so called “Civil Administration,” that is the military government of the West Bank. Rabbi Ben-Dahan has described Palestinians as “beasts” who “are not human.” He has also shared with us his profound wisdom according which ”[a] Jew always has a much higher soul than a gentile, even if he is a homosexual.”

    So, the US taxpayer is forced to subsidize a government that includes people who say that “A JEW ALWAYS HAS A MUCH HIGHER SOUL THAN A GENTILE, EVEN IF HE IS A HOMOSEXUAL.”

    Why are we subsidizing a state that believes this kind of drivel? And why are you, JR, constantly whining about “Juice” and “anti-Semitism” when you should be condemning our support to this Judeo-fascist state of Israel?

    Time for you to make Aliyah, JR so you can live in a country to which you are actually loyal among your fellow Chosenists, and so those who are actually loyal to the US can get back to the business of pursuing OUR interests shorn of your conniving pro-Israel sophistries.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/

    • JR

      Finally you stopped pretending to be an independent impartial observer. I just wanted a good solid rant accusing everyone who is Jewish of being a potential traitor (very original). I hoped that it would also contain a Nazi reference (thanks!!!). I would ask if you are implying that those who lob mortar shells and rockets should NOT be considered enemies by those at whom those shells and rockets are aimed, but that would be logical, and who has time for that, amiright?
      The thing is, I get it. I do. I really do. You hate Jews in Israel, you hate Jews in the US, you just hate Jews. Hooray for you. Thing is, we have outlived the pharaohs. We will outlive you too. And long after both of us are dead and gone, and even a memory of us is forgotten, there will be Jews. Rich Jews too. In finance. And in media. And at the highest levels of society. That must be so infuriating, huh? Happy upcoming Shabbos to you. Am Yisrael Chai!!!
      P.S. There is a very good chance you are using technology designed by Jews, in Israel, to write your views.
      P.P.S. You should stop paying taxes and declare yourself a conscientious objector.

      • Dan Greene

        So the Israeli Defense Minister is specifically threatening to attack other nations with nuclear weapons, the Israeli Justice Minister is openly advocating ethnic cleansing and the gauleiter in charge of the West Bank is showcasing his anti-Goy hatred…But YOU are waiting from a “good solid rant” from me!!

        There sure are a lot of hypocrites in the synagogue, JR, and looks like you’re sitting at the front of the congregation.

        Just a reminder, JR: “A JEW ALWAYS HAS A MUCH HIGHER SOUL THAN A GENTILE, EVEN IF HE IS A HOMOSEXUAL.” So says that Godly Rabbi Eli ben Dahan, Israel’s Minister of Ethnic Cleansing.

        • JR

          Who controls the British crown?Who keeps the metric system down?We do, we do!
          Who keeps Atlantis off the maps?Who keeps the Martians under wraps?We do, we do!
          Who holds back the electric car?Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star?We do, we do!
          Who robs cavefish of their sight?Who rigs every Oscar night?We do!We do!!!

          • Dan Greene

            “A JEW ALWAYS HAS A MUCH HIGHER SOUL THAN A GENTILE, EVEN IF HE IS A HOMOSEXUAL.”

            So says that Godly Rabbi Eli ben Dahan, Israel’s Minister of Ethnic Cleansing.

          • JR

            And Christians believe that only Christians will go to Heaven. Muslims believe that all non-Muslims are heretical non-believers. Everybody believe that they are chosen. But only when the Jews say it, you get offended. Why is that? Is it because we control the British crown? Is it because we keep the metric system down?

          • Dan Greene

            Tom below was looking for Julius Streicher. Looks like we’ve found him–and unsurprisingly he’s in charge of supervising the dispossession of the untermenschen of the West Bank.

            Must be tough being a rabbi and gauleiter at the same time. Ben Dahan is a real renaissance man!

          • JR

            Why did the toilet not flush? THE JEWS!!!! Why did that person get more guac at Chipotle than you? THE JEWS!!! Why is the truth so evident to you and yet Jews continue to flourish? THE JEWS!!!!!
            I love counterfactual arguments. It means you are never wrong. But seriously, if I Googled some quotes from Hamas leaders promising genocide, would it change your mind? I don’t think so. THE JEWS!!!!
            There is an Israel Day March on May 31st in NYC. Hope you can make it. THE JEWS!!!!!!

          • Dan Greene

            JR, I think maybe you share the sentiments of these repulsive rabbis.

            I want to hear you say that we should withhold all aid to Israel until its racist anti-goy officials are summarily fired.

          • Dan Greene

            Israeli Minister of Ethnic Cleansing and Rabbi Eli ben Dahan:

            “A JEW ALWAYS HAS A MUCH HIGHER SOUL THAN A GENTILE, EVEN IF HE IS A HOMOSEXUAL.”

          • JR

            I think if you copy and paste just eight more times, it will have the desired effect.

          • Dan Greene

            Yes, I think it will too.

          • Dan Greene

            Do you support the Goy-hating government of Eretz Israel and its odious ministers, JR?

          • JR

            US is viewed most favorably in Israel than in any other country in the Middle East. ISIS burns people alive. Do you support ISIS, Dan Greene?

          • Dan Greene

            Isn’t it interesting that when something offends organized Jewry–such as the Episcopal Chaplain at Yale criticizing Israel–we hear whining ad nauseam, but when senior officials of a government that we subsidize tell the 98.5% of the US population that is not Jewish that they despise them, we get nothing from the media and from you we get every evasion in the book. Pathetic.

          • JR

            No, we have you shining the light on THE JEWS!!!!!! Where would we be without your relentless unbiased truth seeking??? So Jews can’t respond with words (that’s whining), can’t respond with force (genocide!!!!). I guess we just have to meekly accept our fate, right? And when we don’t, it just makes you so ANGRY!!!

          • Dan Greene

            Yes, having to subsidize anti-Goy hatred and moral hypocrisy, as a US tax payer, does anger me.

          • JR

            Don’t pay taxes. Be a conscientious objector.

          • Dan Greene

            Insufficient response. The travesty of anti-Goyism in Israel and among its disloyal 5th column in the US must be exposed and attacked relentlessly.

          • JR

            And I leave you to it, good sir. But can I still make fun of your anti-Semitism? I can? Thaaaaaanks…..
            Speaking of fifth columns, I can’t wait to hear your totally unbiased take on Muslims in the US pleasing guilty to assisting ISIS. For someone who is as concerned as you are about traitors in our midst, you seem strangely quiet on the subject. I can’t for the life of me figure out why. I kid, I kid. I know why.

          • Dan Greene

            Away you go, then. And for all our interaction, you still have failed even to acknowledge the substance of the my post that started this sub-string. It’s interesting how in your mind, Jewish racism is inverted and transformed into “anti-semitism.” Definitely deserves psychoanalysis.

          • JR

            Way to not answer the ISIS question.

          • Dan Greene

            The answer is that the hapless would-be jihadists are watched like a hawk by the FBI and regularly prosecuted. Meanwhile, the supporters of the government of Israel whose ministers and party leaders believe that non-Jews are bestial demand more subsidies from American tax payers. That’s all the answer there is to that question. The diametrically opposed treatment of the US-subsidized Judeo-fascist state and its well-oiled lobby on the one h and and the inept and mostly isolated individuals you are talking about is all the answer you should need.

          • Dan

            It’s definitely the Steve Guttenberg thing. Can’t say I blame them.

          • JR

            Mistakes were made. Also, on behalf of the Jews everywhere, I’d like to apologize for Sarah Silverman. We didn’t know she was going to do that, it wasn’t discussed in any of the meetings.

          • Fred

            JR, you are my new hero. That bit of doggerel is absolutely hilarious. And thank you for giving that vile anti-Semitic lunatic the spanking he so richly deserves.

          • JR

            I’m just a guy with a fever, an iPad and a somewhat impish sense of humor.

          • Dan

            Oh, yeah. Beer busts, beer blasts, keggers, stein hoists, AA meetings, beer night. It’s wonderful, Marge. I’ve never felt so accepted in all my life. These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined.

  • Dan Greene

    Interesting commentary on the current social relations between Jews and Arabs in Eretz Israel. “Jews and Arabs don’t really mix much in Israel. They attend separate schools from pre-kindergarten age (there are only 5 integrated state schools in the country where Arab and Jewish pupils learn together.) They live in separate cities and towns, with a few exceptions like Haifa and Lod; and even in these mixed municipalities, they tend to live in their ethnically defined neighborhoods. Organizations like Yad L’Achim and Lehava, which receive funding and the tacit approval of the Israeli government, exist in order to combat fraternization between the groups, especially between Jewish women and Arab men. There is no civil marriage option in Israel, which essentially places Jewish-Arab relationships permanently in the realm of the illegitimate. Coming from an environment like this, it’s no surprise that my Arab friends would be excluded from a public party based solely on their ethnicity.” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/05/racism-standard-procedure#sthash.ChmKlBbd.dpuf

    Interesting that there is so much complaining about “anti-Semitism” from organized Jewry, but as soon as Jews were able to dispossess Arabs from their land in Palestine and establish a Jewish sovereign authority, it immediately became one of the most segregated and racists states extant in the world.

    • JR

      Sigh… Cutting and pasting from known anti-Israeli websites? Come on dude, you ARE slipping. But the way Iran is acting, there will be a chance for you to go on nice rant about how the only thing preventing a strategic partnership with Iran is the JUUUIIIIICEEEEE. But no cutting and pasting, ok? Deal?

      • Dan Greene

        What, of substance, do you disagree with from this article?

        • JR

          No, I won’t argue with the conspiracy websites that you copy and paste from the Internet. Let me explain. You are not the first anti-Semite I trolled on the Internet. For me, the whole purpose of this exercise is to make you go on unhinged anti-Semitic rants. When you do that, I get to amuse myself by pointing out your abject hypocrisy, your continuous use of counterfactual arguments as well as make fun of your touching, sincere belief that if you say something, it is indeed so. I also try to throw a pop culture reference in there to see if you can use that as a way to make an anti-Semitic statement. (You get an A- there. The – is because I feel like my “Eternal Jew” comment at the end of GF2 quote made it a bit obvious what I was trying to do. But we both know I’m just nitpicking. You deserve an A, and being a Jew that I am, I’m giving you an A-). However, I noticed that without fail anti-Semites such as you always run out of original things to say and start to copy and paste from various conspiracy websites. Disputing that nonsense is just not fun, so I’m not gonna do it. Having said that, if you come up with some original ranting and raving, please do go on. I will respond to that until it no longer amuses me. I’m not saying you HAVE to, at some point, claim that there is blood in Passover Matzah, but I’m NOT not saying it either, knowwhatimsayin’?

          • Dan Greene

            Then you have failed in your purpose.

            Do you deny that Rabbi ben Dahan, the new Israeli government head of the Israeli military government in the West Bank asserted that “A JEW ALWAYS HAS A MUCH HIGHER SOUL THAN A GENTILE, EVEN IF HE IS A HOMOSEXUAL?”

          • JR

            Yes, I deny it. But nice use of copy and paste. Let me try.
            http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/the-breakthrough-to-jerusalem/

          • Dan Greene

            >>”Yes, I deny it.”

            On what basis do you deny it? It can be documented in numerous press outlets. Truth has no meaning for you, does it? Here are numerous accounts of this man of God’s repulsive Judeo-racist statements:

            “Homosexual Jews have “higher souls” than gentiles, gay or straight, the deputy minister for religious services told the Israeli daily Maariv in an article published on Friday.”

            http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/1.566021

            “[Palestinians] are beasts, they are not human.” — MK Rabbi Eli Ben-Dahan, Aug 1, 2013. (Hebrew)

            “A Jew always has a much higher soul than a gentile, even if he is a homosexual.” — MK Rabbi Eli Ben-Dahan, Dec 27, 2013. (Hebrew/English)

            http://972mag.com/next-head-of-civil-administration-said-palestinians-are-sub-human/106533/

            Ben-Dahan has stirred controversy with some of his statements:

            “For me [Palestinians] are brutes, they are not human.”

            “A Jew always has a much higher soul than a gentile, even if he is a homosexual.”

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Ben-Dahan

          • JR
          • Dan Greene

            Now you really are desperate. Make a coherent argument why you deny that Ben-Dahan is a Goy-hating racist who should disqualify the Israeli government he is a part of from ANY international support.

          • JR

            Your harping on one quote of one guy has bored me. Plus, I gotta go to sleep. Early wake-up call for Shabbos prayers and then off to the Elders of Zion meeting.
            In Iran, the penalty for homosexuality is death. Surely you are not saying we should deal with the government that executes people based on their sexual preference? Or we should? Should we?

          • Dan Greene

            He’s not ONE GUY. He is a senior official in a government that US taxpayers–whom he obviously despises–subsidize. He is only one of numerous disgusting Israelis in the current government. I identified the Defense and Justice Ministers as well. Why do you consistently excuse Jewish anti-Goyism? Are you an anti-Goyist yourself?

          • JR

            It is obvious to you, it is not obvious to me. Sorry, you haven’t convinced me. Senior officials in Iranian regime chant “DEATH TO AMERICA” and “DEATH TO JEWS”. Why do you excuse Iranian anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism? Are you an anti-Semite and anti-American yourself?

          • Dan Greene

            We don’t subsidize Iran. We need to deal with Iran as we need to deal with Israel–on the basis of national interest. We have no interest in subsidizing a state whose goals are fundamentally contrary to the long-term well-being of the US and who employs anti-Goy ministers who reek of hatred despite all we do for Israel.

            We do not subsidize Iran or bend over backwards as we do for Israel. Just as we found a useful strategic relationship with the PRC in 1972 despite anti-US rhetoric, we need to do the same with a country that WILL be a regional leader–unlike Israel despite its pretensions.

            If Israel does not get rid of its goy-hating government officials, they need to be cut off from US financial and diplomatic support. Period!

          • JR
          • Dan Greene

            We don’t need the love. We need a state that supports rather than undermines our interests in the region and elsewhere.

          • JR

            Like the one state that calls America the GREAT SATAN and chants DEATH TO AMERICA? Can we choose another one? If it’s OK with you that is….

          • Dan Greene

            Nope–that’s the state that will be useful to us in the future. Once we get rid of the sanctions and move past our fraught past–most of which stems from our actions–the “Great Satan” will go away. But the “Jews are superior the Goyim” will only increase in Israel.

          • JR

            Dude, you obviously can see the future!!! Why are you wasting that amazing gift of clairvoyance on us!!! How do you know that Iran will start acting better? Any evidence you care to present? And Jews are over-represented in the list of Nobel Prize winners relative to their population.

          • Dan Greene

            That’s how strategy works. You calculate for the future. What you DON’T do is allow a client state to derail your strategy with its insane and paranoid demands (abetted by a dual loyalist lobby.)

          • JR

            And what if I calculate for the future differently? Is your way the only way forward? Or can we allow an infinitesimally small chance that you are wrong to alter our strategic calculus?

          • Dan Greene

            OK–how do you calculate for the future?

          • JR

            If somebody says “DEATH TO AMERICA” and I’m loyal to America, I would not trust those people. That’d be step one.

          • Dan Greene

            And if someone said “A JEW ALWAYS HAS A MUCH HIGHER SOUL THAN A GENTILE, EVEN IF HE IS A HOMOSEXUAL,” would you trust him and the government that employs him?

          • JR

            LOL. Cutting and pasting again Dan? Weak….

          • Dan Greene

            This from the guy who uses “DEATH TO AMERICA” as if it were a life preserver.

          • JR

            And also love how you not answered my questions. Here they are again.

            Why do you excuse Iranian anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism? Are you an anti-Semite and anti-American yourself?

            And no, I’m not anti-goy. Before today, I didn’t even know the phrase “anti-goy” existed.

          • Dan Greene

            I have not excused anything Iran has done. The point is that we can work with them and they are strategically useful to us–unlike Israel. What else is there to say. I could live with Israel’s anti-Goy hatred if we had a normal relationship with it, i.e., without the coven of dual loyalists that we are forced to tolerate.

            The anti-Americanism stems from what we have done to them. If we change our policies, that will quickly dissipate. If some other country had overthrown OUR elected leader, you can bet we would be anti-_______ (fill in the blank).

            If you are not anti-Goyist, then why are you trying to minimize the anti-Goyism of the ELECTED Israeli government we subsidize?

          • JR

            Still haven’t answered my questions. You also haven’t shown a proof of dual loyalties of anyone. And no, you claiming somebody has a dual loyalty is not the same as them having one. BTW, I see how it is all America’s fault. Took you a while to get there. But we are here now, in ” it is all America’s fault” corral. Giddy up partner!

  • JR

    Ok, I’m done with Dan Greene. I’m sure I left him more convinced of his righteousness than ever. Goodnight all!

    • Dan Greene

      Only convinced that we have no business subsidizing a state that would even consider hiring a senior official who says (wait for it):

      “Homosexual Jews have “higher souls” than gentiles, gay or straight, the deputy minister for religious services told the Israeli daily Maariv in an article published on Friday.”

      http://www.haaretz.com/news/is

      “[Palestinians] are beasts, they are not human.” — MK Rabbi Eli Ben-Dahan, Aug 1, 2013. (Hebrew)

      “A Jew always has a much higher soul than a gentile, even if he is a homosexual.” — MK Rabbi Eli Ben-Dahan, Dec 27, 2013. (Hebrew/English)

      http://972mag.com/next-head-of

      “For me [Palestinians] are brutes, they are not human.”

      “A Jew always has a much higher soul than a gentile, even if he is a homosexual.”

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E

    • rheddles

      It took you long enough. And even then, you couldn’t resist the watermelon’s bait.

      • JR

        I mean, I did it as long as it amused me. What’s watermelon bait? Him copying and pasting some nonsense about homosexual souls? I gotta admit I didn’t actually read most of what he copied and pasted. But he did have some good original rants. Plus, like I said, he is not the first anti-Semite I trolled in my life, so I knew the dangers. I also donated $500 this AM to Friends of the Israeli Defense Forces and made it in memory of Dan Greene. So no one can say NOTHING good came out of this. 🙂

        • rheddles

          Watermelons: Greene on the outside, red on the inside.

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