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Unchanging Egypt
Murder Charges Dropped on Mubarak
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  • FriendlyGoat

    They can’t be prosecuting Mubarak for things which Sisi also expects to do whenever he feels a necessity to do so. The fact is, Egypt does not have enough secular liberals to overcome Islam in elections and government. So, you can have authoritarianism or you can have the chaos of Iraq, Libya, Somalia, and other places. We didn’t really know this 10-15 years ago, but we should be starting to understand after our experiences trying to push Afghanistan and Iraq forward.

    • Fred

      I agree with your assessment, but I believe Islam is an effect, not a cause. Their religion is barbaric because their culture is barbaric, not vice versa. After all, the secularist governments of the generals in Egypt and Saddam Hussein in Iraq were not a whit less barbaric than the theocracy in Iran or the Taliban in Afghanistan.

      • FriendlyGoat

        Okay, in the founding of Islam, I’ll agree with you too. I think Mohammad was a plenty barbaric dude who left a completely questionable “scripture” behind for his followers in that regard, perhaps as a legacy of his time. Maybe you and I can also agree to be glad our Christian new testament scripture revolves around a savior who 1) Didn’t lead military campaigns, and 2) Didn’t take large (or any) numbers of women as wives/concubines.

  • Jacksonian_Libertarian

    The Arab spring proved that the American strategy of planting a seedling of democracy in the middle of Islamoland Iraq, was having an effect on the Islamic Culture that is spawning all these murderous Jihadists. All the hopes America had that the strategy would eventually uplift the backward and inferior Islamic Culture were dashed when Obama couldn’t wait to abandon the strategy when he precipitously withdrew the American troops from Iraq protecting the fragile new democracy. It seems clear that it is going to be a long time before Islamic culture advances as the cultures of South America did in the 80’s, and they did in Eastern Europe did in the 90’s. I would point out that even with American forces in South Korea from 1950 on, South Korea was a military dictatorship until the 80’s, or over 30 years. Cultures change at glacial speeds.

    • FriendlyGoat

      So, in your first sentence we are to blame Bush. And in your second sentence we are to blame Obama.

  • Lorenzo from Oz

    As long as the only two power centres are mosque or military, unpalatable choices will be the only ones available. Hence the Kurds look good, since they have managed to develop a civil order wider than that.

  • Fred

    Repeat after me, “There is no such thing as an Arab spring.” It was, as it always is in that part of the world, a power struggle between differing sets of savage thugs, NOT a democratic revolution.

    • FriendlyGoat

      Actually there was an Arab spring, but it never progressed beyond a metaphorical February or early March, because there simply are not enough liberal secularists to overcome the Islamic tendencies of voters——except MAYBE in Tunisia.

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