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The Drowned Boy on the Beach: Europe’s Failures and Europe’s Challenges
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  • Gene

    European states should be capable of stabilizing Libya? Bwahahahahahahahahahaha.

    Them and what army?

    • Tolworth Geoff

      I don’t know about Libya, but it should be possible for the west to facilitate the formation of a Syrian liberation army drawn from the massive number of refugees. Give them 18 months training, embeded mentors from the UK, French and Turkish regular army, air support and co-ordination with the Kurds and they should be able to easily defeat the remenants of the Assad regime and ISIL. Putin and the other Assed regime backers won’t like it, but the fact that such a force is being formed should concentrate minds towards finding an early compromise solution before any actual invasion takes place.

      • rheddles

        And whom would you recruit for this Potemkin army? There are no good guys in Syria. Just because someone is a refugee doesn’t mean they are a western liberal, only that they lost.

        • Tolworth Geoff

          My army is currently sitting in refugee camps in Turkey / Jordan / Germany (and Budapest railway station). The Syrian refugees won’t be that different from our parents and grand parents who were prepared to endure great hardship and fight for their country during WW2. A pre-requisite was an effective government to provide leadership and the expectation of a decent life when victory was achieved.

          This ‘vision of hope’ does not currently exist in Syria, as all the current combatant factions offer a pretty grim future. Therefore it’s a rational decision for anyone who is not an Assad / ISIL fanatic (the good guys) to become a refugee and try to build a better life elsewhere rather than to stay and fight.

          In practical terms we’d need to bring together a Government in exile to provide political leadership and paint the picture of what life in a better future Syria could be like. It’s not that different from the role Charles de Gaulle played for the Free French forces.

          It’s time to startthinking of the refugees as part of the solution rather than as just a problem.

          • bannedforselfcensorship

            Yes, I just fled Syria and have arrived in Germany and the money has started to flow, and now you want to send me back, away from my family to fight in Syria?

            LOL. No one will take you up.

      • Gene

        Well, leave the Turks out of it entirely, as they cannot and should not be trusted, and I’ll go along with you. Of course, to think the leadership of the US, France or Britain could be trusted to put forth even 20% of the effort and resources required to actually do this right is utterly fantastical, so it will remain a good plan only in the minds of us website commenters.

  • jeburke

    “Economic migrants” should have to get in line and wait their turn to immigrate. That Libya is a failed state should not change that. Asylum seekers from Syria or anyplace should register, prove their case for asylum, and await action (in a camp). Staging riots in Budapest as if they had some obvious right to live in Hungary or Germany, frankly, just raises a question about whether admitting them to the EU is a good idea. Above all, while the pics of the dead tot in the surf were heartwrenching, the blame for his death rests squarely on Assad,ISIS and al Nusra, not the West.

  • gabrielsyme

    The biggest element is deterrence. Europe should announce that all migrants transiting from safe countries will be immediately returned from whence they came. This rule needs to be vigorously enforced. Once there is a clear message that entering the EU via safe nations is going to result in immediate deportation, migrants will stop coming, and the huge death toll associated with these attempts will cease. Even though Libya is not a safe country, this rule should be enforced for non-Libyans transiting through Libya. They should be returned to their native countries or the nearest safe country through which they likely transited. I have seen an estimate that 20% of Africans who attempt to make it to Libya die in the attempt.

    Blood is on the hands of those who are supposedly being compassionate.

  • rheddles

    This needs to be discussed as a long term problem, because it will be. The volume of migrants from Africa is only going to grow astronomically over the next decades. Compassion fatigue will set in. The sooner this flow is stanched the better for all.

  • mdmusterstone

    Let’s talk about hostages, hostage takers, legitimacies, responsibilities
    and happiness. The major players are the EU administration, the European
    demographic and the migrants.

    At the present time the EU administrators, have by choice,
    decided to be hostages of their ideals and of the migrants. One, or at least one that I know of, gets the
    impression that the EU admin loves the precious agony of grand standing their nobility,
    putting ideals above all; just like Candy from the book of the same name.

    The people of Europe are unhappy
    hostages, while being the most legitimate player. They haven’t been seriously consulted on the
    issue because there isn’t a ‘plan’ to discuss.
    The consummate hostage takers here are the migrants who presume to break
    all the laws while holding their hostages to strict observance of same. They just wanna be happy darn it, is that too
    much to ask?

    If someone came to my door and demanded a $1000 dollars and
    informed that if that wasn’t forth coming she would run in the street with her
    two children until killed or injured at which point that outcome would be my
    responsibility, would it be so? And why
    not, I do after all have $1000 but when I see a thousand more coming down the
    street, the door is shut, my family comes first with no apologies or
    explanations offered.

    The picture of the drowned tot on the beach is heart
    wrenching however he is not the first and will not be the last. How did he come to be there and who’s

    No one just runs out of gas, they do so because of a series of
    poor decisions over a period of days.
    This child ended on the beach because of a chain of decisions made by
    culpable adults while the media tries to make it the responsibility of the
    EU. Taken to heart, and for the greatest
    safety of the greatest number of migrant children, all vessels of any size
    should be stopped and turned back just outside the harbor. Period.

    Further, everyone knows that there is a migrant number that
    is “too many” but what is that number? What is the EU plan? They are using the same plan that they used
    throughout the 20th century, “Oh, dear, this looks like it could turn into
    trouble; let’s makes speeches.” Right
    wing parties have more concrete plans than that, sans hand-wringing.

    A problem is when you, want, don’t want. Leaders address problems, make decisions,
    difficult or easy e.g. Mers el kebir, committees commission studies until events
    take the decisions out of their hands.

  • Boritz

    “The United States bears a great deal of responsibility in this crisis, particularly for the situations in Syria and Libya.”

    While you and I consider this unfortunate it is what the Europeans have wished for for decades. The French referred to us derogatorily at the end of history (Remember that time?) as “The Hyperpower”. If only the U.S. wasn’t so powerful or at least had the grace not to act like it. Then came the America of their dreams.

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