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Published on: October 13, 2014
Episode 36: Francis Fukuyama on the Formation and Decay of the Modern State

Good afternoon, podcast listeners! What a treat we have for you this Columbus Day, as noted political scientist, Stanford University senior fellow, and TAI Chairman Francis Fukuyama returns to the show this week to discuss his new book, Political Order and Political Decay: From the Industrial Revolution to the Globalization of Democracy.

Frank expounds on one of the central questions of his book: how do you get to the modern state? That is, how do you get from a state run for the benefit of the insiders to one that is impersonal, that seeks to treat its citizens impartially and therefore equally?

You’ll learn why Greece and Italy may have democratized too early, and how that legacy was borne out in the recent euro crisis. You’ll also hear about how plausible—and how sustainable—China’s model of governance is in relation to the modern liberal democracies of North America and Europe. Finally, Frank will describe the signs of decay he sees in contemporary America.

Be sure to subscribe to the podcast on iTunes, and follow our host Richard Aldous @RJAldous and Francis Fukuyama @FukuyamaFrancis on Twitter.

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