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Wet Foot Dry Foot
President Obama’s Cynical Cuban Refugee Ploy
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  • Disappeared4x

    Are redefinitions of the words “norms” “normal” and “normalization” now meant to sow ever more confusion? That said, greatly appreciate Gallagher’s clear-eyed assessment at TAI, of the cynicism behind ending “wet foot, dry foot” policy, targeting Cuban refugees.

    Clever, callous, and cynical indeed.

  • Genesis123

    I mean, can you imagine a bigger a$$hole than President Obama? I mean, really, can you? There are some people on this board for whom he is a Savior, a Lightbringer, a Messiah (you know who you are). But for the rest of us, yowzers…
    However, I think Obama is seriously underestimating Trump (still). If Abu Hussein thinks this will somehow tie Donald’s hands on anything, well, Abu Hussein is about to be greatly disappointed.

    • Disappeared4x

      Mahmoud Abbas comes to mind. So does the image of Abbas (metaphorically?) kissing Pope Francis’ ring tomorrow at the opening of the Embassy of the State of Palestine to the Vatican, somewhere in Rome.

      • Genesis123

        I mean, Arafat comes to mind. And I get and understand your point.
        But i was thinking more in terms of politicians we daily “interact” with. I really can’t imagine a more loathsome creature than Abu Hussein.

        • Disappeared4x

          I can: his puppetmaster.

          • Genesis123

            Soros? An utterly repulsive excuse for a human being. He will get his from a Judge who won’t be swayed by his billions. Although I got to say I was really glad to learn that he lost $1 billion betting on markets going down after Trump’s victory. Some of the money in my 401K came from George Soros. That is AWESOME!!!

          • Disappeared4x

            The palindrome hunts for his name online. Besides, I am personally reeling from this Cuba policy change.

            The first kids, in 1960 bullied us Jews at school. 4th grade. Better by high school because of the other Pope’s effort to end the Christkiller message. So many Cuban refugees shaped my childhood and education.

            I have mentally been back in mi casa on ‘calle de cinco’ since this news broke. For me, Cuba has been an issue of personal concern, but two events led me to consciously factor Cuba policy in when I vote. Served as a juror in Manhattan 1986: manslaughter between two ‘Marielitos’, on the Bowery. The translator also Cuban, elegant & educated, very white like the first refugees. Quite a trial!
            Second event was what Clinton42 did with Elian Gonzalez.
            It was Obama44 who, in 2008, made Israel an issue for my vote.
            I realized he is an ideologue when he urged Mubarak to step down. At the time, I was outraged that he had not said that the peaceful transfer of power is the hallmark of democracy, and urged elections.
            Imagine going to high school with 4,800 students, with almost 4,000 of them refugees from Cuba.
            Ok, posting this so I can re-file this flood of memoriesCubano.

            Planning on diversions to real world including replay of the full Tillerson and Mattis hearings. And plan on Haley and Perry hearings next week. The country club decision on Obama membership. Looks like a wonderful club for the Kushner family.

            Hasta luego.

    • Adam Bowers

      Any Republican would do nicely.

      • Genesis123

        Care to provide an example with explanation? Or are you just an Obama fanboy where nothing that the Lightbringer says or does is wrong? Thrills up your legs? I never saw you before on these boards so I just want to know what I’m dealing with.

        • Adam Bowers

          Sorry to interrupt your Obama sucks circle jerk without a clear example ready. Donald Trump will do nicely.

          • Genesis123

            Did DT stab any allies in the back at the UN? I don’t seem to recall him doing that.
            BTW, it is good to get another leftwinger in here to make fun of. You better have something intelligent to say. So far your contributions have been…. disappointing.

          • Adam Bowers

            “Did DT stab any allies in the back at the UN? I don’t seem to recall him doing that. ”

            Since Donald Trump isn’t a member of the American UN delegation, so no, it isn’t actually possible for him to “Stab an ally” in the back via the UN. On that note, I assume that you are referring to Obama administration abstaining from a veto in the UN makes him a bigger a$$hole than the pu$$y grabbing misogynist Trump? Roger that good buddy.

            “You better have something intelligent to say.”

            Or else I won’t get to interact with more fine folks like yourself?

            “So far your contributions have been…. disappointing.”

            Pot, meet kettle.

          • Genesis123

            I didn’t respond to you, you responded to me. I was more than happy to ignore you and your Leftwing rants.
            You’re right to what I was referring to re: UN. Thankfully we have legislature moving forward to defund the UN. Hopefully President Trump will be able to sign it into law soon. UN has outlived its usefulness and it will be fitting indeed if their blatant anti-Israel bias finally leads to their downfall. Wouldn’t be the first time a weapon forged against the Jews has failed. Oh look, a Bible quote on that subject.
            http://biblehub.com/isaiah/54-17.htm
            No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.

            It seems like your thing is advanced stages Trump Derangement Syndrome. That is hilarious. Not only is the man repealing Obamacare and getting my taxes down, he is making people like you descend into abject madness. Keep up the good work, Mr. President!!!

          • Adam Bowers

            “I didn’t respond to you, you responded to me. I was more than happy to ignore you and your Leftwing rants.”

            So three sentences with no policy discussion is a Left wing rant?

            “You’re right to what I was referring to re: UN. Thankfully we have legislature moving forward to defund the UN. Hopefully President Trump will be able to sign it into law soon. UN has outlived its usefulness and it will be fitting indeed if their blatant anti-Israel bias finally leads to their downfall. Wouldn’t be the first time a weapon forged against the Jews has failed. Oh look, a Bible quote on that subject.
            http://biblehub.com/isaiah/54-
            No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.”

            So if three sentences is a rant, what is this nonsense? I’d say the ramblings of religious zealot.

            “It seems like your thing is advanced stages Trump Derangement Syndrome. That is hilarious.”

            Whew. You’ve got me pegged. Praise God, you have shown me the error of my ways!

            “Not only is the man repealing Obamacare and getting my taxes down, he is making people like you descend into abject madness. Keep up the good work, Mr. President!!!”

            Last I checked the ACA hasn’t been repealed and the Republicans are beginning to realize that repealing the ACA is a political turd except to true believers like yourself. Oh they will do *something*, but it’ll basically be the ACA 2.0. Naturally, there will be a big tax cut for that goes overwhelmingly to the top earners that explodes the deficit because it won’t be paid for reduction in spending elsewhere. Huzzah!

          • Genesis123

            Pegging you was pretty easy. I mean, I appreciate the praise but it’s not like it was hard or anything. You can hold your applause.
            After national debt going up more than $1+T a year per year during the Obama years you are turning into a deficit hawk? That is really cute. We borrowed for everybody else’s priorities, why not mine? If my taxes get cut, kids get a pool. I am supposed to be against that, why, exactly?
            We’ll see what happens with Obamacare. I don’t have a crystal ball. I guess what I am trying to say is that I lack your gift of clairvoyance. With your ability to predict the future, you must be rich!!!
            As for religious reference, surely you won’t begrudge me quoting the Good Book? I do that quiet a lot. It offends some people for some reason. I don’t know what that reason might be, but there it is. I’ve always been of the opinion that if you have a problem with what I say that’s what called a “you problem”.

          • Adam Bowers

            “Pegging you was pretty easy.”

            What exactly am I pegged as?

            “I mean, I appreciate the praise”

            I’m not 100% certain, but I think you may believe yourself to be God.

            “After national debt going up more than $1+T a year per year during the Obama years you are turning into a deficit hawk?”

            And you decided I wasn’t a deficit hawk before because…?

            “If my taxes get cut, kids get a pool. I am supposed to be against that, why, exactly? ”

            Where did I imply that you should be against a tax cut? I merely pointed out that it won’t be paid for. You must be pretty wealthy if you are going to get a pool with your tax relief. Kudos to you. I’ll likely only see a net of two hundred bucks or so. I’ll spend it on something less frivolous, like groceries.

            “We’ll see what happens with Obamacare. I don’t have a crystal ball. I guess what I am trying to say is that I lack your gift of clairvoyance. With your ability to predict the future, you must be rich!!!”

            It doesn’t take clairvoyance to know there will be a huge political hit for repealing the ACA. I’m guessing it will be about the same size as the hit for enacting it. You could understand this if you weren’t such a partisan.

            “As for religious reference, surely you won’t begrudge me quoting the Good Book? I do that quiet a lot. It offends some people for some reason. I don’t know what that reason might be, but there it is.”

            I don’t care who or what you pray to or believe. It really doesn’t interest me. It does, however, say volumes that you choose to quote your God/deity/what-have-you rather than make a coherent argument that is based in, you know, reality. That’s great that your God/deity/what-have-you is looking out for your best interests and is smiting your enemies. Good luck with that.

            “I’ve always been of the opinion that if you have a problem with what I say that’s what called a “you problem”.

            I didn’t realize I had a problem with what you said. I’m merely pointing out how ridiculous you are. That really should really be a “you problem”.

          • Genesis123

            “I’m merely pointing out how ridiculous you are. ” your opinion of me is VERY important to me. What can I do to sound less ridiculous to you?
            “That’s great that your God/deity/what-have-you is looking out for your best interests and is smiting your enemies. Good luck with that.” There’s only One God and he has been busy smiting enemies of the Jewish people since the beginning. Ask Persians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, etc etc how their wars against the Jews went.
            “It doesn’t take clairvoyance to know there will be a huge political hit for repealing the ACA. ” Average increase on exchanges last year was 25%, with some hits of 50+% and in AZ it more than doubled. Replacing a system that doubles costs every two years is not as politically dangerous as you imagine.
            “And you decided I wasn’t a deficit hawk before because…?” Wait, you a Leftwinger who was against increasing national debt when Obama was President? Yeah, and I have dated Natalie Portman. Both claims sounds equally believable.
            “I’m not 100% certain, but I think you may believe yourself to be God.” Once again, appreciate you thinking so highly of me. I’m just a man.

          • Adam Bowers

            “your opinion of me is VERY important to me.”

            It shouldn’t be.

            “What can I do to sound less ridiculous to you?”

            Make better arguments. Stop invoking quotes from mythical deities as genuine argument.

            “There’s only One God and he has been busy smiting enemies of the Jewish people since the beginning. Ask Persians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, etc etc how their wars against the Jews went.”

            Speculative. There is no God. There are many Gods. Prove any of these statements false. I won’t hold my breath.

            “Average increase on exchanges last year was 25%, with some hits of 50+% and in AZ it more than doubled.”

            Average increase to premiums was 25%, but that doesn’t equate to out-of-pocket costs because it doesn’t take into account any subsidies that reduce premiums for pretty much anyone buying coverage through ACA. It also isn’t compared to the average of 8% that everyone else’s premiums rose. Of course you know all of this because you’ve been paying attention to the details are aren’t reflexively opposed to anything.

            “Replacing a system that doubles costs every two years is not as politically dangerous as you imagine.”

            You’re right, that would be easy. Too bad the only system that would do that would cover fewer (only healthy) people or require even more federal subsidies. Again, you must know all of this because you’ve been paying attention.

            “Wait, you a Leftwinger who was against increasing national debt when Obama was President? Yeah, and I have dated Natalie Portman. Both claims sounds equally believable.”

            You keep saying I’m a left winger, but you haven’t stated why or how you came to your conclusion. You have absolutely no idea where I stand on any issue other than how I think Donald Trump is a bigger a$$shole than Barack Obama. You’re so wrapped around the axle with partisanship you can’t make a coherent argument.

          • Genesis123

            Your failure to understand my argument doesn’t make it incoherent. Your lack of reading comprehension skills is not my problem.
            But all of this Internet sniping is meaningless. What is not meaningless is that in 2 days the dismembering of Obama’s legacy begins. In Judaism, there’s a blessing that is recited on an occasion that is especially joyous. I feel it is appropriate to recite it now.
            Blessed are You, Lord, Our God, Ruler of the Universe, who gave us life, and sustained it in us, and let us live long enough to see this time.
            And let us say: Amen!

          • Adam Bowers

            “Your failure to understand my argument doesn’t make it incoherent. Your lack of reading comprehension skills is not my problem.”

            You. Haven’t. Made. An. Argument. There is nothing for me to comprehend.

            “But all of this Internet sniping is meaningless. What is not meaningless is that in 2 days the dismembering of Obama’s legacy begins. In Judaism, there’s a blessing that is recited on an occasion that is especially joyous. I feel it is appropriate to recite it now.
            Blessed are You, Lord, Our God, Ruler of the Universe, who gave us life, and sustained it in us, and let us live long enough to see this time.
            And let us say: Amen!”

            More religious hocus pocus. You are incapable of much else I guess. You don’t leave your bubble very often do you?

          • Genesis123

            And what do you think my bubble is? What do you imagine my views are and where do you think I live that they go unchallenged? Use your gift of clairvoyance. Tell me more about myself.

          • Adam Bowers

            “And what do you think my bubble is?”

            The mental epistemic bubble you’ve constructed so that you can avoid dealing with reality.

          • Genesis123

            What does that even mean? Define “reality” for starters.
            Me and my employer think I’m dealing fairly well with reality as both parties perceive it. Same with my family. I guess not dealing with reality as you perceive it is going to be a cross I will have to bear. My only hope is for me to be able to do so with dignity.

          • Adam Bowers

            “Define reality”

            The one where Barack Obama isn’t a bigger a$$hole than Donald Trump. The one where Donald Trump doesn’t have a health care plan that is going to be cheaper and more effective. The one where imaginary deities don’t protect ethic groups. You know, the regular plain ole reality.

          • Genesis123

            On your first point, that’s a matter of opinion. The fact that you state your opinions as facts and indeed as reality doesn’t make them, you know, facts. I can tell the difference between my opinions and facts; I am not so sure I can say the same about you.
            On your second point, I do live in that reality. My personal health care plan is fabulous and I want to keep it that way. All I care is for the next iteration of healthcare to cost less. I don’t particularly care if it’s more effective or not. If it is, great… Wonderful… Well done. If it isn’t and those that don’t work as hard as I do get worse healthcare, them’s the breaks. Good decisions have good consequences.
            On your third points, this is what Jews believe. I’m Jewish so I believe it. To me, that is what reality is. I don’t need the external validation of your approval. I see a country of 8 million on a tiny piece of land surrounded by their sworn enemies thriving and getting stronger. That’s good enough for me.

          • Adam Bowers

            “On your first point, that’s a matter of opinion. The fact that you state your opinions as facts and indeed as reality doesn’t make them, you know, facts. I can tell the difference between my opinions and facts; I am not so sure I can say the same about you.”

            You are right, it is opinion. I cannot empirically prove that Donald Trump is more of an a$$hole than Barack Obama. What I can do is summarize the competing argument. You think Barack Obama is the biggest a$$hole because he failed to block a vote in UN condemning illegal Israeli settlements. I think Donald Trump is a bigger asshole because he is a racist, a misogynist, and a demagogue. I suppose I could further distill your view to Israel > Anything else.

            “On your second point, I do live in that reality. My personal health care plan is fabulous and I want to keep it that way. All I care is for the next iteration of healthcare to cost less. I don’t particularly care if it’s more effective or not. If it is, great… Wonderful… Well done. If it isn’t and those that don’t work as hard as I do get worse healthcare, them’s the breaks. Good decisions have good consequences. ”

            So basically, screw you, I’ve got mine. Lovely.

            “On your third points, this is what Jews believe. I’m Jewish so I believe it. To me, that is what reality is. I don’t need the external validation of your approval. I see a country of 8 million on a tiny piece of land surrounded by their sworn enemies thriving and getting stronger. That’s good enough for me.”

            So back to Israel > anything else.

          • Genesis123

            The settlements are not illegal. It’s called Jews living in Judea. The fact that anti-Semitic a$$hole Obama chose to continuously stab Israel in the back while allowing Iran to do whatever it wants is indeed what makes him an a$$hole. So does his disastrous policy against the JV team, ISIS. I think that was a slight error in judgement, wouldn’t you agree.
            As for healthcare, I got mine. But I got mine not because it magically appeared in front of me. I worked for everything I have. Not my fault that other people chose a different path. It is a Leftwing dream to achieve equality in outcome. It is bound to fail time and time again, as it has in the past.
            I gave you an explanation of what Jews believe. I could care less if you believe it or not. We’ve been ridiculed for this belief for the past 5000+ years. The funny thing is that all those who make fun of our belief tend to die off and disappear. We remain. God, that must be so frustrating for people like you. I get it, I really do. It is not supposed to happen. But it is. Look at yourself, just look at yourself. You are one day older, one day slower, one day closer to that gaping hole in the ground that will swallow you whole. And on that day, there will still be Jews living in Judea and still be Jews praying at Temple Mount. That is reality.

  • Mark Hamilton

    It’s not that clever. Republicans have no problem with Cubans. This is a political lay-up for Trump to undo it and also give him a platform for explaining why Obama’s human rights record is awful and we’ll not be playing nice with Raul until he plays nice with his countrymen.

  • CaliforniaStark

    The Cuban vote went for Trump in the last election. This is Obama’s political revenge; and reflects the fact that when you remove the lofty rhetoric, Obama is just another tawdry Chicago political hack.

  • jsdozcn9

    The bigger story is how unfortunate it is that this type of policy is left to the discretion of the President. We are supposed to be a nation of laws not a monarchy or dictatorship.

    • Matt B

      Exactly! Trump is accused of being an autocrat, but Obama took so much power into the presidency that Trump has clear precedent now.
      The left applauded Obama’s overreach, and those chickens are now coming home to roost with astonishing speed.

      • Adam Bowers

        You can blame Congress for abdicating its duties for the past 20 years. Congress could easily reign in any President by actually passing legislation and providing consistent oversight, but they have to stop sucking at the teet of the donor class long enough to do it.

  • PierrePendre

    Obama is leaving booby traps all over the political and administrative landscape. So much for the high-minded Solon who was going to transform American politics. Trump will go through a lot of this like a bulldozer providing the liberal MSM with plenty of targets for outrage. Win-win for Democrats; they think.

  • ggm281

    While it may have been sold to the American people as another example of American nobility in action, it was far more simple. We couldn’t return Cubans to Cuba. We had no relationship with them. We were not allowed to land planes or ships at Cuban ports. We literally had no way to negotiate a return. Now we have an embassy in Cuba. If a Cuban national is eligible for asylum, they can head to the embassy in Havana and make their case.
    And note that Mexico had no qualms about returning them. They deported the first 40 yesterday. The Cubans should have remained in South America. Surely they were safe there. Which makes clear they were economic migrants (not political refugees) who were knew their window of opportunity was closing, and they just missed the window getting locked.

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