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Turkey and EU to Break Up
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  • CapitalHawk

    Leaving or being kicked out of NATO is next.

  • Disappeared4x

    Giving new meaning to what to do with a turkey on Thanksgiving, astonishing that the EU has more spine on Erdogan’s neo-Ottoman caliphate-in-the-making than NATO, or Obama.

    One correction to the too-polite “just say no to Islamophobia” language here:
    the Erdogancreatedpressures “that threaten Turkey—three million refugees from Syria, unrest in the Kurdish regions, and a polarized domestic political and religious climate”.

    Yes, Erdogan did his part in creating the Syrian refugee pressure; Erdogan owns the Kurdish ‘unrest’, and Erdogan deliberately polarized his domestic climate.

    • vb

      Erdogan, on a visit a few years ago, also told Turks in Germany not to assimilate.

  • Dhako

    First of all, I very much doubt the majority of Turks are even too keen on joining the EU. And in fact, the ruling AKP party genuinely have re-evaluated their political and diplomatic direction. And they come to conclusion that, going forward, Turkey’s diplomatic vocation, is really with the wider Islamic world (particularly in the post-Soviet Stan-states). And and to some extend in Africa. Which means, Turkey can have an export-driven economy into these states without worrying about meeting the EU’s high regulatory barrier for the export of goods, in-terms of quality and safety of its products.

    Also, Turks seems to be thinking to “band-wagon” themselves behind the Chinese juggernaut economy (particularly in-terms of infrastructure building) in various African countries (especially those who are of Islamic faith in North and West Africa). And this will mean, that Turkey seems to have realize that the EU’s collective economy which used to be, or at least was, Turkey’s export-market of last resort, will not be what it was previously, due to the Euro-Zone’s financial difficulties. And therefore they are doing about turn vault-face in their economical orientations away from the EU’s internal and single-market, and into the wider world, and to Asia-Pacific in particular.

    This is the bottom-line with Turkey. And that is so particularly with the Financial and economical Conservative’s elites of Turkey, who are very close to the AKP ruling party. And they seem to have came to the conclusion – or at least the realization – that EU’s single-market is less enticing and alluring for the Turkey, going forward. Specifically, in the sectors in which Turkey is trying to have a “comparative advantage” against others.

    And in that sense, they view that these new “virgin regions” (i.e., in Stan-states, and in the Islamic North African States) they think they can have a better prospect from them, as opposed to any prospect they can get out of the well-developed and saturated EU’s markets, where others (mostly Europeans companies) have already established their preponderance comparative advantages against any new Turkish entrance into these sectors.

    Moreover, the old Turkish’s secular financial elites, who used to call the “political shots”, who in turn were the “real movers and shakers” for Turkey’s political orientation towards the EU, have lost the right to “hog” Turkey’s political steering-wheel. Which means, these “Europeanized Turkish Elites” are no longer in a position to drive Turkey’s political destiny into any direction they so chose, or their fancy takes them.

    Hence I am not sure the idea of saying that the EU’s parliament will vote it down Turkey’s accession negotiation into the EU is all that is crack up to be. And that is so, given the fact that from the current government position such a prospect is not something they are actively intending to pursue at this point in time.

    And in fact, they are not even interesting anymore, so these Eurocrats may as well as safe their energy and simply say: “You Turks, are one one of us”, with simple vote without all the argy-bargy debate taking place in their chamber. For I am sure of it, the likes of Mr Erdogan, will simply say, he would consider as a standing insults if those limp-wristed metro-sexual Europeans ever thought that the likes of hard-man Turks, like himself, is one of them.

  • Observe&Report

    At current birth rates, half of Turkey’s population will be native Kurdish speakers a generation from now. The EU won’t be around in its present form in five years time, and Turkey’s present territorial configuration won’t last into the second half of this century. Maybe it’s time to back the winning horse and support the creation of a Kurdish nation-state.

    http://www.jinsa.org/fellowship-program/david-p-goldman/demographic-sources-turkeys-foreign-policy-crisis

  • gabrielsyme

    With respect to the 3 million Syrian refugees, one should limit one’s sympathy for Turkey’s quandary. Turkey elected to assist various rebel factions at the very beginning of the conflict, choosing to fuel the civil war. They (at best) looked elsewhere while ISIS gathered strength, permitting ISIS to be supplied through Turkey, to market oil through Turkey and for ISIS recruits to transit through Turkey, at a minimum. And, of course, Turkey has strongly opposed the Kurdish forces in Syria, who have been the main antagonists to ISIS in northern Syria.

    Turkey added a tonne of fuel to the fire – and now they complain of getting a few cinders on their jacket.

  • Josephbleau

    I still can’t forgive Turkey denying access through country to Iraq for the 4th infantry. If we had had these troops entering from the north we would have engaged future resistance troops and disarmed them in combat. Turkey is not a Nato Ally.

  • Fat_Man

    Slice Turkey into three pieces. Let the Russians have the Northwest, including Constatinople, the Bosporus, the sea of Marmara, and Thrace. Let The Kurds have the the south east to be an independent Kurdistan, along with Kurdish territory in Iraq and Syria. Let Erdogan and his dead-enders keep the chunk in the middle.

  • GS

    Turkey’s Islamist rulers seem to be opting for an Islamic rather than a European future;

    And let them, by all means. Ataturk had not ataturkated them nearly enough.

  • bscook111

    Turkey was never going to make it. The EU wanted and wants only Constantinople but the rest of the packet isn’t worth it. The Turkish border will move back to the straits. What will become of Istanbul? Greek? Bulgarian? Independent seems most likely.

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