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Crime and Punishment
More Cops, Less Crime
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  • Frank Natoli

    We need more police? If NYPD has NOT been reduced, but crime in NYC is UP, and NYPD has been instructed by the Communist DiBlasio and the once peerless but now apparently soulless Bill Bratton to not offend those who are offended by policing but apparently not by violent crime, we are to conclude that MORE police are necessary?
    I don’t think so.

  • Anthony

    There are many causes of crime and our laws and its enforcement agents (officers) do many worthwhile civil services. But, Post brings to mind:

    “In the seventies, eighties, and early nineties there was a dramatic, frightening increase in the number of crimes. It was not hard to understand, when one walked through any big city. There were the contrasts of wealth and poverty, the culture of possession, the frantic advertising. There was the fierce economic competition, in which the legal violence of the state and the legal robbery by the corporations were accompanied by the illegal crimes of the poor. Most crimes by far involved theft. A disproportionate number of prisoners in American jails were poor and non-white, with little education. Half were unemployed in the month prior to their arrest.

    The most common and most publicized crimes have been the violent crimes of the young, the poor – a virtual terrorization in the big cities – in which the desperate or drug-addicted attack and rob the middle class, or even their fellow poor. A society so stratified by wealth and education lends itself naturally to envy and class anger.

    The critical question in our time is whether the middle classes, so long led to believe that the solution for such crimes is more jails and more jail terms, may begin to see, by the sheer uncontrollability of crime, that the only prospect is an endless cycle of crime and punishment. They might then conclude that physical security for a working person in the city can come only when everyone in the city is working. And that would require a transformation of national priorities, a change in the system.”

    • Angel Martin

      “They might then conclude that physical security for a working person in the city can come only when everyone in the city is working.”

      Physical security for a working person in the city consists of getting the hell out of the city before it blows !

      • Anthony

        Reading more sans digital reliance provides greater contextual range (Kruger-Dunning)..

        • Angel Martin

          Hey, I might not know much, and I might not even know what I don’t know.

          But I do know that the riots in Baltimore in 2015 were reality.

          And I do know that antique marxist Howard Zinn’s “theories” of the future city are fantasy.

          • Anthony

            I don’t know what you may or not know. Yet, ideas and thoughts, despite how you choose to label, have place in the forum of World Wide Web.

  • JR

    IT is ironic that movement called Black Lives Matter will end up costing so many black people their lives. Although I would be the first to admit that it is easy for me to be detached in my upper-middle class neighborhood in metro NYC. Perhaps I would think differently if I were living on the West Side of Chicago.

    • Frank Natoli

      Approximately 6,000 blacks are murdered each year in America. Virtually all of them died at the hands of other American blacks. Yet BLM only cares about the very, very small number who die at the hands of police. Ferguson? Baltimore? What policeman of any color would have done differently?

  • Andrew Allison

    Under-incarceration my a–s! The US has the highest incarceration rate of any country in the world!! Given the conviction rates, there are only two conclusions to be drawn, either the US is the most lawless country in the world or there are a lot of people incarcerated who shouldn’t be.

  • Matt B

    I’d like to know what the research says about the efficacy of the “infrequent but harsh” model vs the “parental” model. In either case the goal must be reducing crime, not incarceration per se.

  • FriendlyGoat

    We should start from realizing that for lack of better-directed enterprise, we are over-spending on health care, over-spending on education and overspending on police, “criminal justice” and incarceration. Why are we doing this? Because it pays the people who are employed in these things and because we don’t know of anything else to employ all these people in with living-wage jobs. The “free market” sure as heck isn’t providing any magnet in good jobs.

    Seriously, we sell each other more health care, more education and more incarceration than we should and at prices higher than make any sense. Our economy SHOULD BE SO busy that we couldn’t afford so many people in jails because we need them in the work force.
    Capitalism alone hasn’t gotten us there. Why not? (If you call for more tax cuts and de-regulation, I may have to shoot somebody, okay?)

    • Anthony

      Something essential to read (not related to above topic) but potentially confounding @ 1st read: http://www.salon.com/2016/05/23/donald_trump_is-going_to_win_this_is_why_hillary_clinton_cant_defeat_what_trump_represents?

      • FriendlyGoat

        The short version?
        1) “Economics” today is completely misunderstood, even by experts
        2) Ordinary people are even more clueless about why their economic lives suck
        3) Trump can create a steamrolling distraction in this vacuum of understanding

        • Anthony

          Short version ties up adequately (and if you read WRM’s latest essay you noticed the complementarity to your version).

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