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Taiwan Votes
Taiwan’s Landmark Election
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  • FriendlyGoat

    Evidently a liberal-minded woman who is not enamored with the communism of the mainland?

    • Dale Fayda

      And to hear liberals tell it Hillary Clinton is as pure as the wind-driven snow and Obama is really a centrist. What’s your point?

      • Boritz

        in all fairness, your accusation misses the mark. She is undeniably guilty as hell but that is irrelevant to the upcoming election where policy position is all that matters. I distinctly remember that’s how it works.

        • Dale Fayda

          Point taken, but that’s kind of what I was trying to illustrate with my response to FG’s comment. It was a convoluted dig at conservatives and had “zero” to do with the topic of the article. Hence, my somewhat non-sequitur reply.

        • FriendlyGoat

          Policy positions ARE all that matter. This is proven on your side by the conservative mega-donors sitting out the GOP primary—-waiting ONLY to spend money on the general election. They seriously don’t care WHO implements their preferred policy as long as someone does. You don’t either. So why should I not understand that about the whole conservative movement? (as I do)

          • Dale Fayda

            Assuming that GOP big donors are indeed “sitting out the GOP primary” (source?), it’s likely because until just a few weeks ago there was a host of strong candidates competing for the top spot and they’re waiting for the field to narrow before committing their support. And Trump doesn’t need their money at all.

            On the other had, big money Democrat donor class is unanimously lined up behind the Clinton crime family, aren’t they? You know; the impeached, disbarred serial adulterer and sexual predator and his irredeemably corrupt, soulless harridan of a spouse, who is currently under a criminal investigation by the FBI and is likely facing indictment. To them there is NO question that HIllary is going to carry their water, is there?

          • FriendlyGoat

            That’s the point, Dale, that electing POLICY is the only point. It’s true from the right at all times, and it is true from the left as well. Donors such as Sheldon Adelson really do not care whether Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Paul, Christie, Kasich or someone else appoints THEIR judges, signs THEIR legislation and leads THEIR cabinet administrations. The heavy supporters of Republicanism such as the Chamber of Commerce, Heritage Foundation, NRA, OR EVEN the GOP Party Chairman likewise don’t vary from that main idea.

            Soooo—We on the left don’t either. As for Hillary, she either is the best horse in the Dem field or she isn’t. Last time she wasn’t. This time she may be, although, personally, I would have preferred a more dynamic candidate. There is nothing about HER, though, that causes me to switch sides on all the policy. So your second paragraph has no meaning to us except that you are using all your disdain of her to elect right-side POLICY.

          • Dale Fayda

            Nice try at mis-direction. Seems to be your forte.

            You libs INVENTED the tactic of a personal smear in modern American politics. “…electing POLICY is the only point.”!!! Horse puckey! From Harry Reid bleating from the floor of the Senate that Mitt Romney hasn’t paid his taxes in years (a blatant falsehood), to Ann Romney’s horse, to Mitt’s family dog – marginalization through personal attack is the left’s stock-in-trade.

            And now, you’re trying to veer away from the fact that the Democrat Party’s “inevitable” presidential candidate is without a doubt the most politically corrupt, morally bankrupt and professionally incompetent woman in American governmental history. Bar NONE! I double-dog dare you to name another woman in this country’s politics as morally vile and as enmeshed in political corruption as Hillary.

            She and Bill are the penicillin-resistant bacillus in the American body politic and your side KNOWS it. But since all your party has at this point is the Clinton crime family, liberals like you are forced back onto “policy is all that matters” malarkey. Well, as I suggested to you before, try sitting in the corner in the lotus position and keep repeating that phrase to yourself as a mantra. Who knows, it may even work for her…

          • FriendlyGoat

            I’m having a cup of coffee and trying to dial down from all the rancor today—-even for this whole year if possible. I hope you can too.
            Yes, some Dems will resort to smears just as Republicans do. The end RESULT of elections is going to be policy direction. The REASON for all the bad tactics are advancement of one set of policies—-OR—-blocking of the other set. Your next guy will appoint or agree with Alito. Mine will appoint or agree with Ginsburg. Yours will cut taxes and cut spending, reducing job possibilities. Mine less so. That’s about it.

      • FriendlyGoat

        My point is that although the struggle and relationship between Taiwan and the communist government of the mainland is a huge and somewhat over-riding issue there, this lady has probably not been elected on that issue alone. From what I understand, she is left-leaning on other matters so presumably the voters have approved her on those scores too. Otherwise she would not be either nominated or elected.

        This means that she is left-leaning AND is not in sympathy with communism—-at the same time—-and Taiwanese voters “get it”. Trust me, as a left-leaner I have personally been called a communist enough times to know this is a big deal.

        This really is unrelated to Hillary (except for you apparently nothing is unrelated to Hillary.) THE POINT is that Taiwan just elected a person who understands that the same human rights for Taiwan to be free of communism actually coincide with the other human rights for which liberals crusade everywhere. And, it’s noteworthy this new president is a woman as well.

        • Dale Fayda

          A center-left politician gets elected in a historically statist country, with a millennia-long culture of comprehensive governmental control. Big surprise. It doesn’t take a visionary to see that playing footsie with the Chi-Coms is always a sucker’s game. If this woman has even a rudimentary grasp of recent Chinese history, her party’s position in this regard is pretty much a no-brainer. Also, don’t equate Taiwan’s Democratic Progressive Party with American liberalism – their respective stance on economic issues are diametrically opposite: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Progressive_Party

          Furthermore, liberal “useful idiots” from H. G. Wells to Jimmy Carter sucked up to Communists for decades with gusto, despite massive evidence to the the Communism’s horrific nature. Millions of liberal morons protested the Vietnam War, yet NONE made a peep about the Cambodian genocide, Mao’s Cultural Revolution (which killed millions) and any other Communist outrages. For you to state that liberals “crusade for human rights everywhere” is a LIE! Liberals don’t care about human rights – they believe in disruption and control.

          “Leftists don’t value equality, they value disruption. If they
          can disrupt by promoting equality, they will do it. If they can disrupt by
          promoting inequality, they will do that. If they can disrupt by promoting gay
          marriage, promoting Islamists, promoting the environment, promoting unregulated
          industry, promoting freedom of speech or promoting hate speech laws, they will
          do those things in order of opportunism.

          Their underlying goal is to replace existing
          ideas and systems with their own. Anything that serves that purpose is good.
          Anything that maintains the existing order is bad.”

          Daniel Greenfield

          • FriendlyGoat

            Isn’t this what it says in the Wikipedia citation you linked?

            POLICIES
            “Programs supported by the DPP include moderate social welfare policies involving the rights of women, senior citizens, children, young people, labour, minorities, indigenous peoples, farmers, and other disadvantaged sectors of the society. Furthermore, its platform includes a legal and political order based on human rights and democracy; balanced economic and financial administration; fair and open social welfare; educational and cultural reform; independent defence and peaceful foreign policy. For these reasons, it is often considered a party of the centre-left, economically, and its base consists largely of the working class.”

          • bannedforselfcensorship

            More center than left. Taiwan has very little social welfare, and both parties compete by offering up money to the elderly, etc. KMT is viewed as more pro-growth. though and DPP more left-leaning. Interesting in Taiwan is that due to the decades of KMT rule, the bureaucracy is viewed as pro-KMT, so the DPP pays attention to corruption (when no being corrupt themselves.) This far more healthy than the American situation.

          • FriendlyGoat

            I believe in center-left more than center-right, so am glad to see this type of election result in any country.

        • Dale Fayda

          It clearly states that Democratic Progressive Party embraces Economic Liberalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_liberalism. Not exactly what Bernie Sanders is selling, is it?

          • FriendlyGoat

            Actually, I’ll take the list of policies supported by the DPP as more meaningful than theoretical definitions of an “ism”. Both of us should realize that Wikipedia is minute-to-minute work in progress, anyway

            I’m just saying the new president of Taiwan appears to tilt more left than she tilts right—-without being over an edge (like Marx). I’m that way myself.

    • bannedforselfcensorship

      China does not equal communism.

      Taiwan is to China, as Canada is to the USA.

      Sure, there is some hatred of communism per se, but most Taiwanese view China more as authoritarian, similar to the KMT years.

      The DPP won because Ma was horrible and the economy sucks, more than China issues.

  • gabrielsyme

    …the U.S. is led by someone other world leaders, rightly or wrongly, think can be rolled.

    That would be rightly.

    • Andrew Allison

      There’s no question that the U.S. is currently led by someone who can be, and has been, rolled.

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